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Old 12-29-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Democrats don't have to sound Conservative because the Republican Party will go wacko right. It'd be different if the Republicans would actually try passing more centrist legislation, but they're incapable of doing that. They can't help but go full tilt boogie wackjob right...it's in their bloodstream.

The Democrats will actually be more liberal than before as a party because the Blue Dogs have been defeated. What's the sense in being more conservative in that case? There is none. Republican voters have shown that they won't reward Blue Dog Democrats for opposing Obama.

Obama has never been in a better position. The split congress was bad for his presidency. The battle lines are much better delineated with Republicans having control over both houses.
The people will see the bills being vetoed over and over by Obama's pen.. nothing new. it is Obama's way or the highway...

Obama is far far left into the communist party thinking .. the democratic party leaning that way because of Obama.. they have no choice.. the dems are socialist leaning now.. the republican party have been pulled to the left , they now act as if they are the democratic party of years ago.. which was moderate .. the tea party are now the reborn Republican party and they are the true right wing. The older Republicans are democrats, the new tea party are republicans and the Obama progressive crowd are socialists that are lead around by the communists anarchists which use race, class and privilege, social issues to gain ground with the progressives..
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: NJ
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With 60 votes regularly needed in the Senate for closure, there will not be too many bills passing both chambers anyway.
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:17 PM
 
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The people will see the bills being vetoed over and over by Obama's pen.. nothing new. it is Obama's way or the highway...

Obama is far far left into the communist party thinking .. the democratic party leaning that way because of Obama.. they have no choice.. the dems are socialist leaning now.. the republican party have been pulled to the left , they now act as if they are the democratic party of years ago.. which was moderate .. the tea party are now the reborn Republican party and they are the true right wing. The older Republicans are democrats, the new tea party are republicans and the Obama progressive crowd are socialists that are lead around by the communists anarchists which use race, class and privilege, social issues to gain ground with the progressives..

lol

Are you on drugs right now?

The GOP has moved so far to the right, literally most of the men who were Presidents while members of that party couldn't get the nomination today if their lives absolutely depended on it. Eisenhower? Are you kidding. He supported Social Security and refused to cut taxes. Nixon? No way, that hippie signed the Clean Air and Water Act and recognized communist China. Oh, and he raised taxes, stopped exchanges of dollars for gold and actually enacted brief price controls. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? The guy suggest to Gorbachev that the US and USSR both just up and get rid of all their nukes AND he cut some tax loopholes for the rich which we all know is tantamount to a tax hike in modern day GOP-speak. And to top it off, he spoke favorably of FDR, refused to call him a commie and said that Social Security was safe in his hands. Whoa! Failure to privatize Social Security? Reagan must have been a pinko who hated free markets? George H. W. Bush? That guy passed environmental laws and RAISED TAXES. And even though his tax hike helped stabilized the US debt situation, setting the stage for the more prosperous mid-90s, doesn't matter, only socialists raise taxes, right?

And the Democrats. The party that gave Franklin Freakin' Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal now gives us Bill Clinton and talking up of free trade and globalization; deregulation of the entire communications industry (see ya later independent radio and tv stations, hello cookie cutter corporate garbage); the effective repeal of Glass-Steagal and he joined with Republicans and the Ayn Rand-loving Fed chairman to squash any attempt at having the SEC regulate the derivatives market, that little thing that just caused a massive global economic meltdown a few years ago. And then we have Obama, who gave billions to the banks after Bush's (I'll give Bush credit for this, he seemed pretty reluctant to do this) billions apparently wasn't enough. His supposedly socialist Justice Department has prosecuted exactly zero of the big bankers and financiers for their role in the crash. He listened to his pro-Wall Street Treasury Secretary, who apparently believed the big banks were like skittish horses that needed to relax lest they get spooked, and not to any actual liberals. He not only continues, he ups the ante on the neoconservative foreign policy front by basically trying to lure the Russians into a war in the Ukraine all the while constantly trying to gaslight the crap out of them. His big accomplishment? He passed a piece of junk health care plan that was basically the one the GOP offered up nearly 20 years ago, watered-down as a sop to insurance companies and in an attempt to get at least a few Republicans (and GOPers being so liberal as you say, not one of them voted for a plan their party put forth when Bill Clinton was President).

Give me a break with this stuff already. The GOP has moved so far to the right they pretty much have no chance at getting a President elected barring a complete implosion by the Democrats. If the Democrats were actually liberal (forget socialist, forget communist--oh right to you they're all the same even though they're actually not), then I, an actual, real life liberal wouldn't be so disgusted with them I have to hold my nose when voting for those spineless, centrist wimps.
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:38 PM
 
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Do you even listen to yourself?

Let me summarize your post:

1. Democrats are too lazy to vote in mid-terms
2. The more Obama shoots down, the more his sheep will lick his boots
3. Battle lines are drawn with the Reid-worm out of the way, and now Obama can go it alone, just as he always wanted
4. Republicans - only send up bills that Obama likes. If he doesn't like them, the Repubs can suck it

Did I get it right?
So you don't think i even listen to myself, yet you think i'm qualified to critique your post? So qualified in fact, that you ask me if you got it right as if if you're some child looking for my approval?

Did you get it right?
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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lol

Are you on drugs right now?

The GOP has moved so far to the right, literally most of the men who were Presidents while members of that party couldn't get the nomination today if their lives absolutely depended on it. Eisenhower? Are you kidding. He supported Social Security and refused to cut taxes. Nixon? No way, that hippie signed the Clean Air and Water Act and recognized communist China. Oh, and he raised taxes, stopped exchanges of dollars for gold and actually enacted brief price controls. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? The guy suggest to Gorbachev that the US and USSR both just up and get rid of all their nukes AND he cut some tax loopholes for the rich which we all know is tantamount to a tax hike in modern day GOP-speak. And to top it off, he spoke favorably of FDR, refused to call him a commie and said that Social Security was safe in his hands. Whoa! Failure to privatize Social Security? Reagan must have been a pinko who hated free markets? George H. W. Bush? That guy passed environmental laws and RAISED TAXES. And even though his tax hike helped stabilized the US debt situation, setting the stage for the more prosperous mid-90s, doesn't matter, only socialists raise taxes, right?

And the Democrats. The party that gave Franklin Freakin' Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal now gives us Bill Clinton and talking up of free trade and globalization; deregulation of the entire communications industry (see ya later independent radio and tv stations, hello cookie cutter corporate garbage); the effective repeal of Glass-Steagal and he joined with Republicans and the Ayn Rand-loving Fed chairman to squash any attempt at having the SEC regulate the derivatives market, that little thing that just caused a massive global economic meltdown a few years ago. And then we have Obama, who gave billions to the banks after Bush's (I'll give Bush credit for this, he seemed pretty reluctant to do this) billions apparently wasn't enough. His supposedly socialist Justice Department has prosecuted exactly zero of the big bankers and financiers for their role in the crash. He listened to his pro-Wall Street Treasury Secretary, who apparently believed the big banks were like skittish horses that needed to relax lest they get spooked, and not to any actual liberals. He not only continues, he ups the ante on the neoconservative foreign policy front by basically trying to lure the Russians into a war in the Ukraine all the while constantly trying to gaslight the crap out of them. His big accomplishment? He passed a piece of junk health care plan that was basically the one the GOP offered up nearly 20 years ago, watered-down as a sop to insurance companies and in an attempt to get at least a few Republicans (and GOPers being so liberal as you say, not one of them voted for a plan their party put forth when Bill Clinton was President).

Give me a break with this stuff already. The GOP has moved so far to the right they pretty much have no chance at getting a President elected barring a complete implosion by the Democrats. If the Democrats were actually liberal (forget socialist, forget communist--oh right to you they're all the same even though they're actually not), then I, an actual, real life liberal wouldn't be so disgusted with them I have to hold my nose when voting for those spineless, centrist wimps.
Yes, everything you mentioned was Republicans compromising to the democrats.. what is new? They have pulled the Republican party so far left they don't want to become a communist country with the new progressives pulling farther and farther left.. You made my case..
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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The people will see the bills being vetoed over and over by Obama's pen.. nothing new. it is Obama's way or the highway...

Obama is far far left into the communist party thinking .. the democratic party leaning that way because of Obama.. they have no choice.. the dems are socialist leaning now.. the republican party have been pulled to the left , they now act as if they are the democratic party of years ago.. which was moderate .. the tea party are now the reborn Republican party and they are the true right wing. The older Republicans are democrats, the new tea party are republicans and the Obama progressive crowd are socialists that are lead around by the communists anarchists which use race, class and privilege, social issues to gain ground with the progressives..
Nonesense. The Republican Party is just as nutjob wacko right as ever and getting moreso everyday. The Republican Party hasn't been pulled to the left, and they aren't moderate.

When they take the Senate next year, you'll find out just how nutty they really are. They're gonna push McConnell to the brink, and the House, which is already unbelievably wacko as it is, is gonna be further emboldened by this past election.

The Repubs are gonna be moderate?
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:48 PM
 
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Yes, everything you mentioned was Republicans compromising to the democrats.. what is new? They have pulled the Republican party so far left they don't want to become a communist country with the new progressives pulling farther and farther left.. You made my case..
lol

No. Everything I mentioned was the GOP back in the days when it was actually kind of moderate. Saying I somehow proved your point (no, I proved you have no idea what you're talking about) is pure baloney bravado on your part.
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Obama is going to start using his veto pen against the house and senate. The Republicans took the senate so now Obama has his veto pen ready.. any wonder.. Obama is not willing to compromise at all, never worked with anyone . Obama just sits in the white house and ignores the other branches of government.

But he does have another pen, the Veto Pen.

Obama To Congressional Republicans: I Have A Veto Pen And I'm Not Afraid To Use It - Business Insider
If bad bills end up on his desk, he should veto them...
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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lol

No. Everything I mentioned was the GOP back in the days when it was actually kind of moderate. Saying I somehow proved your point (no, I proved you have no idea what you're talking about) is pure baloney bravado on your part.
How do you be moderate with a communist in the white house? Answer -You don't.. just wait till the commie gets out of the white house.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:15 PM
 
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How do you be moderate with a communist in the white house? Answer -You don't.. just wait till the commie gets out of the white house.
How do you try and save face after you were made to look dumb? Answer - you make some unsupportable blanket statement about communists and declare victory.

lol

Do you suffer from some kind of disorder that renders incapable of making an actual decent point that you can support with facts? If that's the case, then I'm sorry and I feel bad for you.
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