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Old 01-01-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Obamacare is better than what it replaced because it allows people with pre-existing conditions to buy health insurance.
Exactly. It's about time we put hardworking self-employed entrepreneurs on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

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Old 01-01-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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Exactly. It's about time we put hardworking self-employed entrepreneurs on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

I think I was put on better footing than some.......mine is free.....what a country.
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Old 01-01-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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What if I don't want any insurance and never go to hospitals or ever see a doctor. Why should u have to pay anything?
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Old 01-01-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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It's less than a cell phone bill now isn't it?
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:01 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Yes, it's very much an improvement for those that were previously uninsured either because of existing conditions or lack of funds to pay for it, but for the rest of us it's been a financial hit. When there are mandated free services, the insurance companies have to make up that cost somehow.

My monthly premium actually went down, but my employer's contribution went up so they eliminated the copay option, and now we have a high-deductible plan with health savings account. Our out-of-pocket for 2013 (wife and I) including premiums was about $2,000, for 2014 it went up to over $5,000 with no change in frequency of care or prescriptions.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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Obamacare is better than what it replaced because it allows people with pre-existing conditions to buy health insurance. The rest of it is a misguided effort to protect private sector insurance companies as well as overpriced pharmaceutical company and hospitals from themselves. What we need to replace Obamacare is a taxpayer funded government health care system that has the economic power to break up the health industry's oligopoly on the supply side of the business. Only a single payer government has the power to cut out the monopoly profits distorting the medical economics.

Forcing an insurer to take on risks greater than the premium is stupidity to the infinite degree.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I have a feeling that the number of people nationwide who approve the ACA far exceeds those that oppose.
Your "feeling" would be wrong.

In fact, there has never been a single moment in time that saw approval of this law by the public. I'm pretty sure I've specifically told you this before, but even if I haven't, it doesn't excuse your ignorance of the facts this late in the game.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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92% of New Yorkers approve of ACA. I have a feeling that the number of people nationwide who approve the ACA far exceeds those that oppose. We may see what happens if the GOP were to get its way and repeal the ACA. There will most likely be a backlash by the millions who have taken advantage of ACA or can obtain health insurance regardless of preexisting conditions. At any rate, the ACA may one day be like social security and medicare and except for the fringe right supported by vast majorities.

New Yorkers share Obamacare experiences, advice - NY Daily News
Before you exclaim universal approval of this bill you may want to view national polls, from most any source, as to the popularity of it.

BTW, have you even considered that those "millions" have for the most part, are reacting to government extortion and threats if they do not sign up? This produces false numbers, along with the government fudging the numbers (as usual) to try and prove still another falsehood.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:17 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Exactly. It's about time we put hardworking self-employed entrepreneurs on the same footing as government and corporate employees.

Actually, it forces those people to sign up for only government approved care with unwanted items in it?
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Clermont Fl
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Obamacare is better than what it replaced because it allows people with pre-existing conditions to buy health insurance. The rest of it is a misguided effort to protect private sector insurance companies as well as overpriced pharmaceutical company and hospitals from themselves. What we need to replace Obamacare is a taxpayer funded government health care system that has the economic power to break up the health industry's oligopoly on the supply side of the business. Only a single payer government has the power to cut out the monopoly profits distorting the medical economics.
insurance - thing providing protection against a possible eventuality.
So it is not insurance it is welfare
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