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Old 01-02-2015, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Most of our power is generated with Nuclear and natural gas with some coal plants. The ultimate goal is to reach 10% renewable generation but that's in the future. At best 10%. But guess what is on the cover of the electric industry magazine most months? Stupid windmills.
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What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?

In 2013, the United States generated about 4,058 billion kilowatthours of electricity. About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), with 39% attributed from coal.

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were

Coal 39%
Natural Gas 27%
Nuclear 19%
Hydropower 7%
Other Renewable 6%
Biomass 1.48%
Geothermal 0.41%
Solar 0.23%
Wind 4.13%
Petroleum 1%
Other Gases < 1%
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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What "fantasies" did I speak of?

Be specific and use quotes.
Obviously made up ones.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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Well, that looks good in a magazine. But it's no replacement for coal. It's crap like that that will force people into poverty because the elec bills are going to quadruple soon.
These are kewl technologies that I love too, so I will cut the Bishop of AGW a bit of slack on this.

That said, it is ALL about execution. Liberal left true believers often act as if these kinds of pie in the sky proposals are proven science. Big surprise.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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Obviously made up ones.
You mean, mandates to use wind power?

You mean subsidies to build wind farms?

You mean, "goals for renewable energy" are things I just made up?

Of course not.

Those are liberal fantasies, highly destructive ones, forced on everyone.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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These are kewl technologies that I love too, so I will cut the Bishop of AGW a bit of slack on this.

That said, it is ALL about execution. Liberal left true believers often act as if these kinds of pie in the sky proposals are proven science. Big surprise.
This is proven science.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Each tree has a power output estimated at 3.1 kW.....Attractive and efficient.....I'll take two.....I expect to see these in Victoria soon.
Tree-Shaped Wind Turbines Blend Into the Scenery : Discovery News
Less ugly, but less efficient, and therefore a bigger waste of resources.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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These are kewl technologies that I love too, so I will cut the Bishop of AGW a bit of slack on this.

That said, it is ALL about execution. Liberal left true believers often act as if these kinds of pie in the sky proposals are proven science. Big surprise.
The VAWT's in the "tree" won't generate diddly.

First of all, VAWT's have a short life and are VERY inefficient. The maximum rated output is likely to be at wind speeds higher than at Tehachapi region, which are some of the highest found anywhere.

Second, the design itself is inefficient. It places many generators behind OTHER generators, after the airflow is disrupted. It is nothing but politically correct art, with no possibility of being even slightly useful.

It might be "cool", but in terms of anything but emotion, it serves no valid purpose.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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You mean, mandates to use wind power?
If that is what you are ranting about, yes, I saw no one call for mandates.

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You mean subsidies to build wind farms?
Again.

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You mean, "goals for renewable energy" are things I just made up?
What is wrong with goals for renewable energy? Would we have ever made it to the moon if someone hadn't set a goal?

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Of course not.

Those are liberal fantasies, highly destructive ones, forced on everyone.
Its an article about a wind driven energy generator that some find more attractive than the old ones

Its not a fantasy.
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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This is proven science.
What is proven?

Provide some details
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Old 01-02-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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If that is what you are ranting about, yes, I saw no one call for mandates.
They ALREADY EXIST.

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What is wrong with goals for renewable energy?
They are stupid, in big fat capital letters.

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Its an article about a wind driven energy generator that some find more attractive than the old ones

Its not a fantasy.
I do believe you argued it had a financial return.

That was the fantasy.
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