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Old 01-04-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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Wow! Please tell me that you are being facetious for effect.
Indescriminate unprotected recreational sex ends up in pregnancy. It goes both ways.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Because the term "love child" sounds silly? As a bastard child myself, I have no problem being labeled "illegitimate". Can't get caught up in the labels.
I admire your courage. Many would not come out and say that.

Look; I have a younger sister that is a half sister. My father raised her as his own child, and I love her as much as my full sisters. She has turned out to be an awesome woman (she was born in 1959, so she's now 55).

The term, "illegitimate" is really a legal term only. It shouldn't reflect negatively on the person at all. Why should it? You couldn't help it. You are who you are. And that is the same as a child born from a rape. Not their fault. They have a right to live just as anyone else.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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The woman should be the responsible one since she is the one left with the mess of THEIR mistake.

women are the responsible one. what does that have to do with calling their child names which only go to label and hurt them?.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wow! Please tell me that you are being facetious for effect.

You must admit it IS a viable option if you don't want an "illegitimate basard"
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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you mean the baby daddy didn't value himself enough to stand up to his responsibilities?

it is an outdated term and not a good one either.
I don't think he didn't "value himself" enough. I think it is selfishness. But, it's not an "outdated term." It is a legal term. It's meaning is still valid.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:18 PM
 
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I admire your courage. Many would not come out and say that.

Look; I have a younger sister that is a half sister. My father raised her as his own child, and I love her as much as my full sisters. She has turned out to be an awesome woman (she was born in 1959, so she's now 55).

The term, "illegitimate" is really a legal term only. It shouldn't reflect negatively on the person at all. Why should it? You couldn't help it. You are who you are. And that is the same as a child born from a rape. Not their fault. They have a right to live just as anyone else.

what rose colored glasses you wear. no it "shouldn't" but it does reflect badly on the child. the term carries a stigma.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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This thread thread leaves me stunned. I live just about as Father Knows Best as is possible in this world, and I'd like to castrate any man who walks away from his progeny. When people flippantly dismiss pregnancy as solely the responsibility of the woman, they are supporting irresponsible male sexuality. Is this really the way we want to raise our sons? I don't think so. It's certainly not the way I'm raising my sons.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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I think God does love all. But that isn't the point, is it.
Illegitimacy and legitimacy as well as bastard are archaic terms. What purpose do those words serve other than to scar and mark the child. If you believe all human life is special then making artificial distinctions should be done away with especially as so many couples of all races are having children out-of-wedlock or are cohabitating. In some parts of Europe, what is the statistic.... nearly 20%+ of couples with kids are unmarried (I have not confirmed this figure though). It is definitely on the rise in the US as well regardless of race or class. God loves as all I agree and does not make distinctions as we do or so I would imagine.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Pretty soon no word will be safe.

Illegitimate child does not mean evil, sinful, horrible, unwanted, never-should-have-been-born love child of doooom!

It's a legal term used to mean, simply, that the parents weren't legally bound in matrimony.

That's ALL it means.

I wish people would stop assigning emotion (usually negative) to perfectly fine, literal words.
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Old 01-04-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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I don't think he didn't "value himself" enough. I think it is selfishness. But, it's not an "outdated term." It is a legal term. It's meaning is still valid.

when does this legal term need to be used? on what paperwork does it get put on? just where does one need the term applied?
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