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This thread thread leaves me stunned. I live just about as Father Knows Best as is possible in this world, and I'd like to castrate any man who walks away from his progeny. When people flippantly dismiss pregnancy as solely the responsibility of the woman, they are supporting irresponsible male sexuality. Is this really the way we want to raise our sons? I don't think so. It's certainly not the way I'm raising my sons.
Why label a child because of the actions of his parents?
It's a matter of who is taking responsibility for raising that child properly. A child being a bastard or illegitimate is saying that the father doesn't recognize that child as being his official progeny and therefore not giving that child his surname nor intending to pass along his surname and when deceased any part of his possessions. It also shows disrespect to the child's mother and her family.
I suppose if a man is impoverished, having a bastard child doesn't make much difference. But as a man has more worldly possessions and wealth, having a bastard son is more of a slight to that child and the child's mother.
I'm not going to apologize for being traditional in my opinions. Children should only be born within wedlock and both parents committed to raising their children properly.
It's a matter of who is taking responsibility for raising that child properly. A child being a bastard or illegitimate is saying that the father doesn't recognize that child as being his official progeny and therefore not giving that child his surname nor intending to pass along his surname and when deceased any part of his possessions. It also shows disrespect to the child's mother and her family.
I suppose if a man is impoverished, having a bastard child doesn't make much difference. But as a man has more worldly possessions and wealth, having a bastard son is more of a slight to that child and the child's mother.
I'm not going to apologize for being traditional in my opinions. Children should only be born within wedlock and both parents committed to raising their children properly.
In 2014 a man is held responsible for any children he fathers whether he is married to the mother, or not. The term has no relevance today.
I have always thought that to stigmatize children for the behaviors of their adult parents with such a term is simply bizarre.
So you have a problem with Truth® and Reality®?
The bastard illegitimate child wasn't exactly on the Menu, right?
The Menu has:
Appetizer:
Hot Sex
Deception
Salad:
Hot Sex
Lying
Main Course:
Hot Sex
Broken Vows
For Afters:
Hot Sex
Debauchery
See?
Babies and Birth Control aren't on the Menu.
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A father is a parent regardless of not having been married to the child's mother.
No, a father is a sire.
A parent is someone involved in the child's upbringing and care.
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Women also used to be the property of their husbands and thus took the surnames of their "owner" husbands.
A Red Herring not relevant to the discussion, but thanks for proving your rant is weak.
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Women continue with this tradition regardless of the fact that it makes no sense and is rooted in a backward belief system.
Again, a Red Herring combined with Propaganda & Disinformation.
There are many matrilineal societies on this Earth, which use the mother's last name.
Additionally, for Slavic and Balkan societies (excluding Romania) the woman has the choice of keeping her name, or adopting her husband's name and feminizing it or using both her and her husband's name, you know, the hyphen thing.
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What is remarkable is that I still hear people using the "illegitimate child" terminology.
Illegitimate children are accidents, you know, mistakes.
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I feel that even if someone is speaking of a historical account, from a time when people held such absurd beliefs, that they should not use that terminology to describe a child born to such circumstances.
We can call them "bastards."
Will that make you feel better?
How about this....child whose mother's brain is smaller than her clitoris?
Do you have some Politically Correct term in mind?
Well, let's hear it so we can get a good laugh,
Signed....
I haven't heard the term "illegitimate" used in real life regarding a child in probably 20 years. I'm surprised how many here defend it. It's a useless, archaic word, as is the expression "love child." If you're still using it, you might want to reconsider.
[quote=nmnita;37886170]I agree it is a unfair label to put on a child, but in reality that is still what they are. Would it be better to call them bastards? There are way too many children being raised by single moms but that isn't the fault of the kids, that is the fault of casual sex. What ever happened to sex being part of true love?[/quote]
I have always thought that to stigmatize children for the behaviors of their adult parents with such a term is simply bizarre. A father is a parent regardless of not having been married to the child's mother. -That has always been true whether or not society played stupid human tricks with reality due to their stupid bog-headed religious and social beliefs. Women also used to be the property of their husbands and thus took the surnames of their "owner" husbands. Women continue with this tradition regardless of the fact that it makes no sense and is rooted in a backward belief system.
What is remarkable is that I still hear people using the "illegitimate child" terminology. I feel that even if someone is speaking of a historical account, from a time when people held such absurd beliefs, that they should not use that terminology to describe a child born to such circumstances.
Perhaps we should call them "undocumented" ???
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