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Old 01-11-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Obviously we can't ALL get along.
Enough with the forced diversity and just let whatever happens happen. Equal rights for anyone and everyone who earns it and deserves it. The rest can suck it.
A right does not have to be earned.
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How do you know that's happening? From what I've seen the problem of low minority scores is mostly centered on segregated schools which occur mostly in blue states and Washington, DC, Obama's own back yard.

The most segregated schools may not be in the states you’d expect - The Washington Post
It is happening. It is a fact. These demographic groups test in this order when going to the same schools. In the elementary schools 200 yards from my house located on the outskirts of Houston, Tx. you find whites, hispanics and blacks testing out in that order (not enough Asians to be a representative sample). This phenomenon is well documented. A quick google search will enlighten you. The primary problem with education is not the schools.
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Old 01-11-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It is happening. It is a fact. These demographic groups test in this order when going to the same schools.
Prove it.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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I post a very specific set of arguments. Several detailed paragraphs. You ignore all claims made.

You post an ad hom attack, and, of course, accuse me of bigotry.

You're not doing very well here.
Well, I'll level with you. I know I can come up with a better argument than that. However, this is the question I was asking myself. What good would it do? Would you still think the same way, or would my argument change the way that you think? Maybe the ad hominem attack came as a result of wondering what good a sound argument would do. Sure, I could possibly win the argument, but would the thinking change? I felt like this discussion is alot like playing chess with a pigeon. Beating the pigeon is imminent, but the pigeon will knock down the chess pieces and strut about as if he/she won.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Well, I'll level with you. I know I can come up with a better argument than that. However, this is the question I was asking myself. What good would it do? Would you still think the same way, or would my argument change the way that you think? Maybe the ad hominem attack came as a result of wondering what good a sound argument would do. Sure, I could possibly win the argument, but would the thinking change? I felt like this discussion is alot like playing chess with a pigeon. Beating the pigeon is imminent, but the pigeon will knock down the chess pieces and strut about as if he/she won.
Agree with you or not, THAT was pretty damn good. I may have to steal it.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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You do have point, but in my experience, the best, ad most moral blacks I know are those who have the most reason to complain, be angry ad walk around with a constant chip on their shoulder -- but they don't. I'm talkig about older blacks who actually experienced the changes during the 50s and 60s. Most of then have great attitudes, and most Americas don't feel threatened by them.

The worst, by far, are the ones who really have nothing to complain about -- but they do. They have all the rights and opportunities of any American, but they rarely take advantage of those opportunities, preferring instead to ***** and moan about the evil white man and the endless excuses for their lack of success.

Maybe it's just youth and they'll grow up and out of their constant anger. Age tends to mellow most folks, but they seem to be constantly nursing their anger and resentment so I think we have a very dangerous generation we've created thanks to liberal white guilt.
Some of those who are older, maybe they have gotten older and have mellowed out. However, this is what I'm also seeing. Some of the older persons haven't forgotten certain things and think a certain way as a result of experience.

Some of the younger generation, however, this is what I see. They didn't experience what the older generation experienced. However, there are many who really only know the world they live in, and for some, that world is not pretty. Many don't know that those advantages exist. Some aren't taught better.

And it is important to consider this. Yes, things have improved on many fronts. There are more Blacks in college and have college degrees than before. More Blacks with professional jobs and doing well than back in the 1950s. More Blacks are in the middle class now than before the Civil Rights movement.

That noted, there is still discrimination taking place. Job discrimination still takes place, albeit more covert than before.

And something else I need to point out. Some of the most dangerous persons who happen to be young and Black, they often live far away from Whites. If anything, I don't think "White guilt" is the biggest culprit of this. The lack of role models plays a much bigger part.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Prove it.
Have to do a little more googling than I thought. It is a fact that supports neither a liberal or conservative agenda so it is not that well publicized. Would you agree that if this is true that your argument fails?
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Maybe he's had a lifetime of experiencing how people react to his charming chip-on-the-shoulder personality


Perhaps some truth in that.

I know that I just love a black person I`ve never met before assuming that I`m a huge racist and that they can feel free to just go right ahead and blame me and anyone who looks like me for their personal problems!
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Agree with you or not, THAT was pretty damn good. I may have to steal it.
I got that from someone else. Can't remember who.

My point was that I could come up with a good argument, but it won't change who said person thinks. You can't lose, but because of that, you can't win either.
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Old 01-11-2015, 02:26 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Have to do a little more googling than I thought. It is a fact that supports neither a liberal or conservative agenda so it is not that well publicized. Would you agree that if this is true that your argument fails?
You clearly can't provide proof that it's true, so... no.
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