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Old 01-06-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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The police officer that killed the 12 year old kid had been previously deemed unsuitable to be a police officer but was hired by the Cleveland Police force anyway. He was obviously not fit for police duty. The complaint is far bigger than that though. As I've noted many times, we should be questioning the training we are giving the police and 911. Why wasn't the important information that the gun was likely fake relayed to the officers?

Video: Boy with air gun was shot 2 seconds after Cleveland police arrived - CNN.com

Well it seems the Cleveland Police force is incapable of learning from their past mistakes. They had planned on hiring another officer that had been terminated for excessive force.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Mayor Frank Jackson will not swear-in a former East Cleveland police officer who lost his job for using excessive force.

The city is scheduled to swear in dozens of new officers at 1 p.m. today at City Hall.

The recruit in question is Brandon Smith, who in 2012 was a rookie on East Cleveland's police force when he riddled a car with bullets during a traffic stop. Smith and his partner said the woman behind the wheel tried to hit them with her car.

No one was injured, but East Cleveland officials deemed the use of force excessive.

"The situation warranted termination," East Cleveland Mayor Gary Norton said Monday.


Mayor Frank Jackson will not swear-in former East Cleveland cop who lost job for excessive force | cleveland.com

 
Old 01-06-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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That is crazy. To me, I am happy that they actually ARE learning from their mistakes while they are under intense media scrutiny since they didn't hire the officer in question in this article.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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That is crazy. To me, I am happy that they actually ARE learning from their mistakes while they are under intense media scrutiny since they didn't hire the officer in question in this article.
They did. The mayor wouldn't swear him in......yet. He is still collecting a pay check from the Cleveland Police dept.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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There is no incentive for the Cleveland PD to learn from its mistakes as there is no penalty to be exacted upon it when one is made. This rule of course applies to most all government agencies, bureaus, depts., etc.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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There is no incentive for the Cleveland PD to learn from its mistakes as there is no penalty to be exacted upon it when one is made. This rule of course applies to most all government agencies, bureaus, depts., etc.
This is true, until cops personal assets are subject to judgements they will never learn.
 
Old 04-06-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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Agree 100%. I grew up in the Cleveland area in the 60's/early 70's and the CPD were widely respected for their training and professionalism. Crime in those days was also much worse by virtually every measure... yet today we seem to see case after nauseating case of CPD ineptitude and (appearances and allegations of) corruption and brutality.

We're actually considering relocating to NE OH after a 40+ year sojourn around the US (and world actually)... but now I'm having second doubts. Cleveland's plenty dangerous without the police inciting even more (perhaps eventually devastating) violence. There seems to be a systematic lack of discipline, leadership, accountability and professionalism in the CPD today, and given the data and evidence, think its time to make heads roll and reform it before it kills any prospect of a Cleveland come back. Maybe we'll just relo to Pittsburgh (OMG!)!
 
Old 04-06-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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Agree 100%. I grew up in the Cleveland area in the 60's/early 70's and the CPD were widely respected for their training and professionalism. Crime in those days was also much worse by virtually every measure... yet today we seem to see case after nauseating case of CPD ineptitude and (appearances and allegations of) corruption and brutality.

We're actually considering relocating to NE OH after a 40+ year sojourn around the US (and world actually)... but now I'm having second doubts. Cleveland's plenty dangerous without the police inciting even more (perhaps eventually devastating) violence. There seems to be a systematic lack of discipline, leadership, accountability and professionalism in the CPD today, and given the data and evidence, think its time to make heads roll and reform it before it kills any prospect of a Cleveland come back. Maybe we'll just relo to Pittsburgh (OMG!)!
Cleveland is a nicer place than in the 70's IMO as long as you stay away from law enforcement and don't have any school aged children.
 
Old 04-07-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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Cleveland is a nicer place than in the 70's IMO as long as you stay away from law enforcement and don't have any school aged children.

True. And no way in hell I'd send my kid to Cleveland City Schools!
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