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I showed you twice that simply talking about war on drugs in 1970s didn't mean anything without action. Action started in 1980s and 90s and crime has dropped 50% since then.
You assume that the war on drugs is the cause, and not the removal of lead....BTW did you even read my link on that?
Looking at the crime data in Colorado, the 10% reduction in crime is a pretty clear indication that the war on drugs, and crime reduction are not in fact related.
Looking at the crime data in Colorado, the 10% reduction in crime is a pretty clear indication that the war on drugs, and crime reduction are not in fact related.
Looking at Denver crime stats, it seems you have been lied to. Crime is UP, not down. As a matter of fact drug crimes are up 20%.
Public drunkenness is up over 230%
What did you expect? What kind of people did you expect would show up in Colorado when they legalized drugs?
Anyone who says crime is down is either lying, or repeating someone else's lies.
This is from a pro-drug source, and even they admit the lies.
"So why are advocates claiming a crime drop? Easy: They blended part of the FBI data with part of the DPD/NIBRS data to cook up numbers they wished to see. When one picks the Part I data from UCR and uses DPD/NIBRS property-crime numbers only while studiously avoiding the DPD/NIBRS data on all other crimes, one can indeed manufacture the appearance of a decline. As one can see here, even when using the FBI UCR numbers -- in their entirety -- crime has risen."
Lately legalization advocates have been cheering numbers that show a decline in crime. There are literally hundreds of articles that have been written with this narrative. But an honest look at the statistics shows an increase -- not decrease -- in Denver crime rates.
Crime is tracked through two reporting mechanisms: the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS), which examines about 35 types of crime, and the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). The FBI UCR only captures about 50 percent of all crimes in Denver, so the NIBRS is generally regarded as more credible. The Denver Police Department (DPD) uses NIBRS categories to examine an array of crime statistics, since it is the more detailed and comprehensive source of numbers.
The Denver Police statistics show that summing across all crime types -- about 35 in all -- the crime rate is up almost 7 percent compared with the same period last year. Interestingly, crimes such as public drunkenness are up 237 percent, and drug violations are up 20 percent.
Looking at Denver crime stats, it seems you have been lied to. Crime is UP, not down. As a matter of fact drug crimes are up 20%.
Public drunkenness is up over 230%
What did you expect? What kind of people did you expect would show up in Colorado when they legalized drugs?
Anyone who says crime is down is either lying, or repeating someone else's lies.
This is from a pro-drug source, and even they admit the lies.
"So why are advocates claiming a crime drop? Easy: They blended part of the FBI data with part of the DPD/NIBRS data to cook up numbers they wished to see. When one picks the Part I data from UCR and uses DPD/NIBRS property-crime numbers only while studiously avoiding the DPD/NIBRS data on all other crimes, one can indeed manufacture the appearance of a decline. As one can see here, even when using the FBI UCR numbers -- in their entirety -- crime has risen."
Lately legalization advocates have been cheering numbers that show a decline in crime. There are literally hundreds of articles that have been written with this narrative. But an honest look at the statistics shows an increase -- not decrease -- in Denver crime rates.
Crime is tracked through two reporting mechanisms: the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS), which examines about 35 types of crime, and the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). The FBI UCR only captures about 50 percent of all crimes in Denver, so the NIBRS is generally regarded as more credible. The Denver Police Department (DPD) uses NIBRS categories to examine an array of crime statistics, since it is the more detailed and comprehensive source of numbers.
The Denver Police statistics show that summing across all crime types -- about 35 in all -- the crime rate is up almost 7 percent compared with the same period last year. Interestingly, crimes such as public drunkenness are up 237 percent, and drug violations are up 20 percent.
You started a new thread about this, and I responded there. You are confusing arrests with the amount of crime. They are different things, and the cause is apparent with a little though.
It got us a nation of people brainwashed from grade school into thinking all drugs are all always bad and who are intimately concerned with what other people are ingesting, a moratorium into research into how empathogens (such as MDMA) might be used to treat PTSD and other traumatic conditions and how tryptamines (such as LSD and Psilocybin) might be used to treat addiction and end of life anxiety, a surefire way to increase police power and coverage and confiscatory leverage, and a hypocritical tacit approval of alcohol together with an absurd villification of cannabis.
(Among other things.)
I honestly have found views on the War on Drugs a pretty good barometer for whether I'm going to respect and admire a new acquaintance or not. If, here in 2015, you're STILL spouting the government lie, it says a lot about you and we probably won't become friends. Not saying it's impossible, but it's a pretty good barometer...
You started a new thread about this, and I responded there. You are confusing arrests with the amount of crime. They are different things, and the cause is apparent with a little though.
How do you count the crimes you do not know about? When they say drug violations are up 20%, what do you think they mean?
You assume that the war on drugs is the cause, and not the removal of lead....BTW did you even read my link on that?
Looking at the crime data in Colorado, the 10% reduction in crime is a pretty clear indication that the war on drugs, and crime reduction are not in fact related.
In fact, you can make the case that the war on drugs increases crime. Look at Mexico and their war on drugs.
50% reduction is significant, and certainly worth the money.
Keep it up boys!!!
Keep pushing a failed war, and wasting our taxpayers money in locking up folks for what they ingest!
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
In fact, you can make the case that the war on drugs increases crime. Look at Mexico and their war on drugs.
History has shown this to be true. Hello, prohibition of alcohol anyone???? It did nothing but create a huge black market and brought us the likes of folks like Al Capone! Is there still a black market around alcohol? Sure, with the moonshiners (which is practically legal now anyway) but that is because those folks that are brewing it, are not giving their "tribute" to the government. At any rate, it's still nowhere near as big as it was when prohibition was in effect. In short, as history has shown, prohibiton is an absolute failure, and harms more innocent people, than it helps! Our drug war is a big reason why Mexico and other Latin American countries have huge issues with crime, and attacks on innocent civilians in those countries.
A lot of good, middle class jobs for prison guards.
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