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"peer-reviewed work" - are you sure youre taking about first two years in college?
Yes. You aren't writing your own work to submit, but you are contributing to works of others. You gain tacit knowledge and skills by working with higher level students so that you are better prepared when it's your turn. It's the same idea as sitting next to a pilot when you're learning how to fly. You can't just read a textbook, take an exam, and then fly a plane. You need that tacit knowledge that only comes from working with others.
That's why college students (typically after the first semester) spend so much time in research labs.
But they really don't. Most community college students spend less than an hour/week on academic research and working with professors and PHD students. They spend most of their time on classroom work. Reading textbooks and regurgitating answers on exams is not preparation for transfer to a university.
Yes. You aren't writing your own work to submit, but you are contributing to works of others. You gain tacit knowledge and skills by working with higher level students so that you are better prepared when it's your turn. It's the same idea as sitting next to a pilot when you're learning how to fly. You can't just read a textbook, take an exam, and then fly a plane. You need that tacit knowledge that only comes from working with others.
That's why college students (typically after the first semester) spend so much time in research labs.
You have to be a bit realistic. Most students don't know what college is like until they attend. Yes, you spend more time with professors and PhD students than you do in classrooms. Yes, you make significant contributions to research and other work. Yes, by the time you graduate, you're prepared for graduate school. But community colleges make no effort to provide this level of education to students. Community colleges are cheating students out of a quality education.
One thing to note is that this isn't just community colleges. We have many 4-year colleges around here which are run just like community colleges. It's a true sign into how the quality of education has gone down at the higher education level.
Have you ever stepped into a good college? You'll find more underclassmen in research labs than you will graduate students. Why? Because they're the ones doing all the grunt-work. With that, they're learning how academia works. It seems like you've never stepped into a decent school.
You have to be a bit realistic. Most students don't know what college is like until they attend. Yes, you spend more time with professors and PhD students than you do in classrooms. Yes, you make significant contributions to research and other work. Yes, by the time you graduate, you're prepared for graduate school. But community colleges make no effort to provide this level of education to students. Community colleges are cheating students out of a quality education.
One thing to note is that this isn't just community colleges. We have many 4-year colleges around here which are run just like community colleges. It's a true sign into how the quality of education has gone down at the higher education level.
Yes. You aren't writing your own work to submit, but you are contributing to works of others. You gain tacit knowledge and skills by working with higher level students so that you are better prepared when it's your turn. It's the same idea as sitting next to a pilot when you're learning how to fly. You can't just read a textbook, take an exam, and then fly a plane. You need that tacit knowledge that only comes from working with others.
That's why college students (typically after the first semester) spend so much time in research labs.
What kind of fantasy college did you go to? No freshman is spending time in research labs and no freshman or sophomore is seriously contributing to the work of others because they don't know anything and haven't even taken the classes to learn HOW to do research yet. They're still taking 101 and 201 level classes learning basic skills not doing real research or contributing to any.
It's even more so today than in the past, kids today aren't even ready for 101 level classes, much less prepared to contribute to research.
Most public school students aren't prepared for college work, data show - Chicago Tribune But while thousands of the 2012 graduates were headed to college, only about 25 percent of that year's class was considered "college-ready" — meaning they could perform at least average in freshman classes in four key subjects, based on student scores on each section of the ACT.
Too Many Kids Are Coming to College Unprepared - The Experts - WSJ Our data show that far too many high-school graduates arrive on college campuses ill-prepared to succeed in standard first-year courses. According to some studies as many as 40% of college students must take at least one remedial course.
Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - US News The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all.
And you think freshmen spend time in research labs?
What kind of fantasy college did you go to? No freshman is spending time in research labs and no freshman or sophomore is seriously contributing to the work of others because they don't know anything and haven't even taken the classes to learn HOW to do research yet. They're still taking 101 and 201 level classes learning basic skills not doing real research or contributing to any.
It's even more so today than in the past, kids today aren't even ready for 101 level classes, much less prepared to contribute to research.
Most public school students aren't prepared for college work, data show - Chicago Tribune But while thousands of the 2012 graduates were headed to college, only about 25 percent of that year's class was considered "college-ready" — meaning they could perform at least average in freshman classes in four key subjects, based on student scores on each section of the ACT.
Too Many Kids Are Coming to College Unprepared - The Experts - WSJ Our data show that far too many high-school graduates arrive on college campuses ill-prepared to succeed in standard first-year courses. According to some studies as many as 40% of college students must take at least one remedial course.
Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - US News The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all.
And you think freshmen spend time in research labs?
You do know that you are making the argument that most people shouldn't be in college at all, don't you?
What kind of fantasy college did you go to? No freshman is spending time in research labs and no freshman or sophomore is seriously contributing to the work of others because they don't know anything and haven't even taken the classes to learn HOW to do research yet. They're still taking 101 and 201 level classes learning basic skills not doing real research or contributing to any.
It's even more so today than in the past, kids today aren't even ready for 101 level classes, much less prepared to contribute to research.
Most public school students aren't prepared for college work, data show - Chicago Tribune But while thousands of the 2012 graduates were headed to college, only about 25 percent of that year's class was considered "college-ready" — meaning they could perform at least average in freshman classes in four key subjects, based on student scores on each section of the ACT.
Too Many Kids Are Coming to College Unprepared - The Experts - WSJ Our data show that far too many high-school graduates arrive on college campuses ill-prepared to succeed in standard first-year courses. According to some studies as many as 40% of college students must take at least one remedial course.
Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - US News The class of 2016, as a group, failed all four subjects the test assesses: English, math, reading, and science. According to ACT, only 25 percent of students are proficient in all four subjects. Sixty percent came up short in two of the four subject areas, while more than 25 percent failed to demonstrate proficiency in any subject at all.
And you think freshmen spend time in research labs?
And typically you do not pick your major and your 'college' until junior year.
My first 2 years were full of general ed classes with electives in my future major.
I didn't go in depth studying my major until junior year when I went into the College of Engineering.
And only graduate students could work with the professors.
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