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You keep citing a constitutional imperative toward education. Please post a citation or just stop.
You liberals always love to put words in other people's mouths. I never said there was a constitutional imperative towards education. Congress is empowered to support the furthering of arts and sciences. That is the only way the Constitution can be twisted in the support of funding of higher education... and it doesn't even apply to your Obama's plan to provide "free" community college. But go ahead, keep throwing our taxpayer money down the drain.
No such thing as a free education. Someone always has to pay and the more government gets involved, the higher tuition cost rises. Besides, the problem with education isn't at the college level. The problem is middle and high school and the source starts at the federal level. Teachers and local schools need the freedom to FAIL or hold back students who are below or behind the level of their classmates, especially at the elementary school grades level. Stop doing social engineering classes and focus early grade lessons on reading, writing, and basic math. Why advance to other subjects if the students cannot read? Save the more abstract type lessons for the later school years. Provide honors and recognition for academic achievement as much as or more than today's schools give to their jocks. Seems some schools care more about having star football & basketball players & championships than an educated student body.
If there is money in the department of education's budget to provide free community college, then transfer that extra cash towards public school budget for building maintenance, building renovations, and school supplies.
You can't have free college plus open admissions. All you're doing is creating 2 more years of high school. This is just another example of elites avoiding the real issues, K-12 education and the social ills that generate poor results.
CC is relatively cheap and folks can get Pell Grants, still only about 20% either get an associates or transfer to 4 year. There have been variations of this plan such as the Kalamazoo Promise which pays for college if a student attends Kalamazoo public schools. The college completion rate has remained about the same.
HBCU presidents are starting to come out against this idea too. This plan would pretty much end many of their schools. Why would a low income marginally prepared Black kid go to a 4 year college and incur significant costs when he can go to CC for free for 3 years?
Certain people cosign everything & anything Obama does put don't really think stuff through.
You could be onto something but remember, You may not have multiple community colleges in your county. When I was in New York, my community college had one campus for the county and only one location, compare that to the community college I attended in Arizona, it has three campuses AND one of several community colleges for the county.
A program like this may increase demand which at best increase class size and number of classes but that depends on how many instructors you can get to teach the courses, and how many classrooms you have.
No such thing as a free education. Someone always has to pay and the more government gets involved, the higher tuition cost rises.
There's not enough evidence to show this. College education was just as high (if not higher) compared to median income before the 1800's when there was no government involvement. Education is cheaper in Europe where the government is heavily involved.
However, one thing is true. The quality of education is much lower when the government is involved. The only exception in the U.S. has been with the use of research grants... where private universities are in control of the spending.
Hell no. If you can't afford to go to school, then you won't period! We are already shelling out billions in government welfare for food, abortions, social housing, and STD medications! Enough is enough!
In that case, completing a certain school program should not be a government occupatioinal requirement., otherwise government effectively is determining that only people with money can enter those occupations.
A better way to go about this would really be to provide free tuition at four-year schools but only to students meeting certain requirements like being in the top 25% of their high school classes and maintaining grades with a second chance provision for capable students who didn't work hard in high school but grow up after some non-free semesters at either a CC or a university. Also, this should be done on the state, rather than federal, level.
Unfortunately, everyone has to be a "winner" so that's not PC enough.
On another note - anyone who attended any type of public college or university and would call these young people leeches or takers is completely missing that taxpayers funded their education too. None of the ardent opponents of funding education ever seem to address this point when it's raised.
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