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Old 01-09-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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There are a lot of good decent Muslims, just as in all other Religions. But I sincerely do not believe that the idiot on FOX is a plant.

I know of a person ,who went to school with a Muslim. From what he told us, this idiot thinks just as this Nut on Fox did in every single way. Don't think in every day life these people and their ideology changes, because some of them think this exact way. He even hates Americans, so why he is going to School out here what purpose, if he hates us so much.

In fact maybe not all of them, but this guy thinks that every American Woman or teen, are sluts. That we all need to cover the hell up. That it is acceptable to beat your woman. So I believe as much as there are very good decent Muslims out there, there are even more just like this fool. We have to stop making excuses, because it is these very excuses we make, that have gotten us into the trouble we are in. Think these EXTREMISTISTS are done with us, then we are all kidding ourselves.

 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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He's not a radical. He follows his prophet. The "moderates" are cultural Muslims, but not serious about their faith. Similar to professing "Christians"who never darken the door of the church except maybe Christmas.

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Predominant and well known media figure and Islamic radical, Anjem Choudary from the UK openly and publicly on FOX News and other news media said that the Paris shooting was justified and happy of the shootings, that he wants sharia law in Europe and worldwide domination, wants to kill everybody who insults Islam and prophet Muhammad, praised 9/11 and 7/7 bombings previously, the beheadings of journalists, and other shockingly and scary stuff such as wanting to repeal freedom of expressions, etc.

His twitter recently said: Freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the Prophets of Allah, whatever your views on the events in Paris!"

Europe needs to get rid of those radicals! Why allow them?!

(one of his videos) Radical imam Anjem Choudary on Charlie Hebdo attack | On Air Videos | Fox News


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE8RfH35GKo
 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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Does he? Doesn't ISIS kill thousands of other Muslims in Iraq and Syria?
Of course he does, he is an Imam who leads prayers at a Mosque.

ISIS is mainly killing Yazidis (non-muslims) and Shias who they don't consider Muslims (besides killing anyone who they deem a threat).
 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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Islam is not the only religion where individuals have resorted to extremism. Start recognizing a human condition.
Are we talking of the present or has the urge to absolve Islam taken you back to the crusades?

Today, Islam is the only religion which commits massacres at exorbitant scale.
No other religion comes even close.

2000 people in one attack!
Boko Haram may have just killed 2,000 people: ‘Killing went on and on and on’ - The Washington Post
 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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They didn't either. Their religion was not the issue, their caricatures were. Violence based rhetoric is dangerous regardless of the side using it. Inciting is just as dangerous.
Habibi, the cartoonists were practicing their constitutionally given right to free speech (which includes the right to offend).

 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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I would hope the British courts would have this man arrested, charged, tried and found guilty for advocating war against the people and Government of Great Britain. Then he should be hanged.
The real problem is what is he doing in Britain in the first place?

Muslims the world over are a poison to western civilization and ideals.
 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:42 PM
 
Location: southern california
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freedom of speech for some but not others.
we have that here too.
 
Old 01-09-2015, 06:49 PM
 
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Does every pastor and every priest of any possible Christian denomination represent the entire Christian world?
Of course not but this Imam in question isn't the only vile one around.
Allow me to ask the reverse question, in the aftermath of Charlie Hebdo murders, how many Muslim priests have condemned the passages in Quran which calls for death as a punishment for Blasphemy?
They all condemn the murderers as if they had nothing to do with Islam.

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So should we now punish the Shia for ISIS?
Does the doctrine of Islam as defined in Quran/Hadith not apply exactly the same to Shias and Sunnis/Wahabis?
Isn't death the punishment for Blasphemy/Apostasy/Homosexuality in Shia and Sunni Islam alike?
(BTW, I didn't mention anything about punishing anyone)
 
Old 01-09-2015, 07:07 PM
 
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I have no idea. Have you checked with the imams around the world?
Their silence is positively deafening!

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Apparently not and even Sunni Sufis are considered an enemy by ISIS.
As a matter of fact, ISIS considers everybody who is not with them an enemy.
ISIS/Al Qaeda/Boko Haram/Al Nusra/Hamas/... are the effects, the root cause for their radicalization is the Quran/Hadith itself.
 
Old 01-10-2015, 03:55 AM
 
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There doesn't seem to be any structure in place for the Muslim mosques to oust these guys. You'd think a board or something would de-imam them. This seems to be where the trouble starts. How many times do we hear that a young man was leading a normal life until the iman at such and such mosque got ahold of him. Can they not police themselves? Are they not embarrassed? If a bunch of Methodist pastors were doing this, all hell would break loose.
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