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Old 01-10-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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?Bitcoin Jesus,? Roger Ver, denied U.S. entry after renouncing citizenship

He was denied entry after applying three times in 2014 on the suspicion that he may start living illegally in the United States. He has extended family, one of whom has stage 4 cancer, and a small business owner and investor in multiple U.S.-based startups.
What?

He's been granted amnesty by POTUS.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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There should be a law, once you denounce US citizenship then there is no reentry to the US.
That seems fair.
Why? (this didn't get addressed in the other thread so we will see here). (Made by a different poster). There are many reasons that people may want to become a citizen of another country. Tina Turner renounced her citizenship but where is the harm if we allow her in to accept an award or something similar?
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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He, like many others, did not have a choice on whether or not they wanted to renounce their U.S. citizenship. It was the only option to preserve a higher level of freedom and liberty. If you're a U.S. citizen, you have to pay taxes on your global income, he has paid over $10M in taxes excluding $380,000 in social security which he will never get back.

Another law, called FATCA, restricts us from opening accounts at foreign financial institutions and using NSA-style monitoring of our financials to further steal and rape us of our fruits of labor.
There's a cap on what people pay into Social Security regardless of income. Why did he have to pay $380,000?
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There's a cap on what people pay into Social Security regardless of income. Why did he have to pay $380,000?
That's how much he paid in over 18 years.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:25 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why? (this didn't get addressed in the other thread so we will see here). (Made by a different poster). There are many reasons that people may want to become a citizen of another country. Tina Turner renounced her citizenship but where is the harm if we allow her in to accept an award or something similar?
Tina Turner 'relinquished' her US citizenship, not 'renounced' which is apparently different in the byzantine US code.

Tina Turner formally ‘relinquishes’ U.S. citizenship - The Washington Post.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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That's how much he paid in over 18 years.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Central Atlantic Region, though consults worldwide
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Cite: Article 13, Section 2, of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

A country may be a commercial political boundry as well as geographic boundraries. Although the two often have identical delineations People wrongly believe the two are the same.

A physical home situation on real ground is not real estate or real property, the latter is a paper evidencing the tangible.

Example of real property include: STATE OF RHODE ISLAND; COUNTY OF ___; CITY OF ___ ... < all commercial political boundries

The ground one walks upon may be such as in Rhode Island state, within actual geographical area.

Its the same a JOHN DOE vs. John Doe - Style and the surety from behind whom or what stands. Its all about status.

Black's Legal dictionary:
What is NATURAL PERSON?


A human being, naturally born, versus a legally generated juridical person. (On the geography)


What is JURIDICAL PERSON? (inside a political society)


Entity, as a firm, that is not a single natural person, as a human being, authorized by law with duties and rights, recognized as a legal authority having a distinct identity, a legal personality. Also known as artificial person, juridical entity, juristic person, or legal person.

Got it?
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Tina Turner 'relinquished' her US citizenship, not 'renounced' which is apparently different in the byzantine US code.

Tina Turner formally ‘relinquishes’ U.S. citizenship - The Washington Post.
So she took the more profitable way out it would seem. I will note that while I know very little about the guy in question it seems he shot himself in the foot maybe, even though I have no idea how he filed.

In the end the result is the same outside of one you have to pay for it while the other you don't. (as I understand it)
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Cite: Article 13, Section 2, of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

A country may be a commercial political boundry as well as geographic boundraries. Although the two often have identical delineations People wrongly believe the two are the same.

A physical home situation on real ground is not real estate or real property, the latter is a paper evidencing the tangible.

Example of real property include: STATE OF RHODE ISLAND; COUNTY OF ___; CITY OF ___ ... < all commercial political boundries

The ground one walks upon may be such as in Rhode Island state, within actual geographical area.

Its the same a JOHN DOE vs. John Doe - Style and the surety from behind whom or what stands. Its all about status.

Black's Legal dictionary:
What is NATURAL PERSON?


A human being, naturally born, versus a legally generated juridical person. (On the geography)


What is JURIDICAL PERSON? (inside a political society)


Entity, as a firm, that is not a single natural person, as a human being, authorized by law with duties and rights, recognized as a legal authority having a distinct identity, a legal personality. Also known as artificial person, juridical entity, juristic person, or legal person.

Got it?
If I understand your argument correctly, this can't be quoted out of context. This applies to citizens (and others if we want it to through laws) but once you give that up it no longer does. All rights can be removed through due process and the process of giving up your citizenship would also be included in that.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Why? (this didn't get addressed in the other thread so we will see here). (Made by a different poster). There are many reasons that people may want to become a citizen of another country. Tina Turner renounced her citizenship but where is the harm if we allow her in to accept an award or something similar?
It won't be addressed here either. Spite by the leftists for someone daring to refuse being bled dry and by the Merika crowd for someone daring to leave is what drives the people angry at this guy. Maybe he should move his startups out of the US too if the Feds are determined to be so petty about him leaving.
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