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Old 01-14-2015, 08:51 PM
 
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How does the left sympathize with a religion that oppresses women and gays? Extremists would kill liberals first if given the chance. The Muslim religion is extremely conservative.
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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No one said it better than thomas jefferson did, and in his day, he was on the left, to the extent that you can confidently assign any of the founders to today's definitions.

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In fact, all the founders agreed on this principle, as did all the states that ratified the constitution. (Not denying there was plenty of argument about it at the time.)
Jefferson was an individualist, well to the right of today's spectrum, as were all of the founders. You would not imagine a leftist today complaining that "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground," as TJ did.

I would not pass a law to ban Islam. Given the low popularity of Islam in this country, there is hardly a need. I just ask that people understand its nature and ultimate goal: a melding of Islam and state as one, and intolerance towards all other religions, including atheism and agnosticism.
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How does the left sympathize with a religion that oppresses women and gays? Extremists would kill liberals first if given the chance. The Muslim religion is extremely conservative.
Islam is the opposite of "conservative" as used in current parlance. "Conservative" means individualist, and for individual liberty. It's what 'liberal' used to stand for in the 18th and 19th centuries.

Islam is for top-down, centralized, authoritarian government. Islam is essentially collectivist, and has much more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Muslims want to destroy the freedom of the West and particularly Christianity and Leftists want the same thing...Leftists enjoy seeing Muslims doing what they did in Paris but they would prefer it done to Conservative Christians.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:27 PM
 
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Islam is a religion, just like Christianity. All Muslims are not extremists any more than all Christians are.

Saying that all Muslims should be considered evil because of 9/11 ans Al Quaeda is like saying all Christians are evil because Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Adolph Hitler were Christians.

Liberals are not particularly for or against either group. We recognize that fundamentalists from any religion are interchangeable and that all of them are dangerous, especially when they attract followers who are as nutty as they are. We support justice and human rights for all people regardless of their belief systems. Personally I don't subscribe to any of them. Religion is just another wedge used to separate people.
The difference between Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, and Adolph Hitler and the Muslim extremists is that McVeigh, Nichols, and Hitler were murderers who happened to be Christian, while the Muslim terrorists murder in the name of Allah. Their religion tells them that holy war is desirable.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:53 PM
 
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There are extremists in all religions. I have sympathy for those that are peaceful. Honestly, how many wars would be fought if there was no religion. I think the world would be peaceful.
I think you'd be wrong. We don't fight many wars over religion, despite what is said. Wars are fought over land, power, and money. Making war is human nature I'm afraid.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:58 PM
 
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If you don't like the examples you are welcome to use Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee instead.
What's your point? Robertson and Huckabee are religious, but they're not murderers.
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Old 01-15-2015, 12:22 AM
 
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Why try that when you can wage wars? Topple governments? Create chaos? Instigate to have others do it for you... a win-win, because then you can also sell more arms (to self and others). Your friends are going to be thankful as well.
When did Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee topple governments again?
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Old 01-15-2015, 12:40 AM
 
Location: North America
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The Left keeps putting a "Happy Face" on Islam and its founder, so here's my "work of art." I call it Happy Face Muhammad"
*snorts*
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The left is sort of well intended like a religion that creates non biblical nonsense. They want " nice" and fear " bad" it could corrupt the latte flow the capitalistic smart phone addiction and being pretty! Its co-existance on roids! it's all about not experiencing the pattern of potential friends who behead the child in front of patents then the woman and finally the man . They are incapsulated in the plite of the gay, the okness of R rated movies for their hipster 12 year old demons. They are the naive investors who know not we are on the brink of catastrophic economic collapse because " those religious doomsdayers " are in da house! They are the unprepared.
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