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Old 01-15-2015, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Do you have ANY solution to the persistent shortage of affordable housing? I haven't noticed builders creating any on their own.
Yeah, it's called go get a job so you can afford your own housing instead of looking at me as your gimmedat sugar daddy.
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:26 AM
 
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Your link discusses data concerning an achievement gap between high poverty vs. low poverty school districts. What exactly does this have to do with the government mandating forced section 8 housing on well to do communities?
The link basically shows the result of what inclusionary housing policies have done. The Northern and Eastern areas of the county are shown to have the highest concentration of high poverty and poor schools. This is also where most of the Section 8 housing is mainly concentrated. It didn't use to be that way over a decade ago as they were typical middle class suburbia back in its day. The idea was basically to "reduce" or "eliminate" economic and racial segregation. Seems to have the opposite effect.


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In Montgomery schools, achievement gap widens in some areas, drawing criticism - The Washington Post

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Old 01-15-2015, 01:32 AM
 
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If anything they should stop building subsidized housing in the cores of cities and start building them in the suburbs, and provide public transportation in and out. Why subsidize housing in the most expensive parts of the city? In many cases you have to be poor or rich which is twisted when a middle class worker can't afford it but his taxes pays for a mcdonalds worker to live there.
See post #9.
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:35 AM
 
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In my community, Section 8 hasn't created that kind of ripple. We have a couple of 3-story apartment houses, a few several-square-block duplex communities, and a handful of single family homes. They've blended in unobtrusively so far. Personally I prefer them to the McMansion atrocities.

Full disclosure: back when DH & I owned and managed several rental homes, we declined to take Section 8 applications. That's been a few years and I don't remember our logic. Asked DH about it just now and he said "it was too much paperwork".
Affluent gated communities don't have that effect because these communities have strict requirements when it comes to who should live there. Not quite the same thing as a non-gated one.
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Old 01-15-2015, 02:13 AM
 
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Affluent gated communities don't have that effect because these communities have strict requirements when it comes to who should live there. Not quite the same thing as a non-gated one.
Granted. It might be off topic to mention my obnoxious rich cranky right-wing neighbors so I'll shut up now.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:42 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Section 8 housing is concentrated in cities because poor people don't generally own cars. In cities there are alternate forms of transportation (buss or train) to get to a potential job, food store, doctor appointment, etc.

The suburbs rarely offer such public transportation services.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:42 AM
 
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Government lowers the bar and landlords take advantage of the free money that Section 8 offers them. For every perp in Section 8 housing there is a landlord responsible for renting to them.
So what do you want? Affordable housing or quality housing. You can't always have both.
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Old 01-15-2015, 06:44 AM
 
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Affluent gated communities don't have that effect because these communities have strict requirements when it comes to who should live there. Not quite the same thing as a non-gated one.
Those communities don't have any requirements to live there, except for an ability to afford the home. I don't know of any gated community, except for seniors only (which only has an age requirement) that can ban anyone if they choose to buy. So technically, non-gated ones are exactly the same.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:07 AM
 
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Those communities don't have any requirements to live there, except for an ability to afford the home. I don't know of any gated community, except for seniors only (which only has an age requirement) that can ban anyone if they choose to buy. So technically, non-gated ones are exactly the same.
There are some that don't allow kids or have a limit on how long a visitor is allowed to stay. That could be more of an HOA thing, I'm not so sure. I imagine that it could vary.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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The link basically shows the result of what inclusionary housing policies have done. The Northern and Eastern areas of the county are shown to have the highest concentration of high poverty and poor schools. This is also where most of the Section 8 housing is mainly concentrated. It didn't use to be that way over a decade ago as they were typical middle class suburbia back in its day. The idea was basically to "reduce" or "eliminate" economic and racial segregation. Seems to have the opposite effect.


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In Montgomery schools, achievement gap widens in some areas, drawing criticism - The Washington Post
It sounds like the usual de facto segregation occurred. Rather than one or two or five families, the area became a dumping ground for those receiving Section 8.
Happens all the time.
Hardly a fair example, however, unless one is convinced that this is the inevitable outcome and/or as long as people believe that this is all "those" people deserve.

Virtually every neighborhood I have ever lived in has had a mix of people at different income levels.
Not an issue for me.
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