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I lived on an 800 acre church camp when I was growing up, with an 80 acre lake. By the time I was 8, I had been educated in what snakes I could and could not pick up, taught to shoot a .22 rifle (I was late among my peers in that), and when Mama said don't leave the yard, she meant the entire 800 acres.
When we moved to town when I was 10, I can remember walking alone to the stores downtown (that was only a block from my house), to the library (further), pretty much wherever I wanted.
To me, that is a fundamental right. Aside from obvious extremes such as things involving molestation, whippings with metal objects, starving etc, parents get to make these choices and it isn't anyone else's business, especially the government's. If I, as the parent, can't decide that I think my 7 or 9 year old can walk to the corner store and my choice be respected, then I am not the parent of those children to start with. If I AM the parent, then it should be my choice and ONLY MY CHOICE if I think they are capable of handling those tasks. I don't give a rat's hind-end what the community or a Nazi-esque organization like social services thinks of my parenting choices. I never have and I never will. If I wanted their opinion I'd ask them.
ok, and if your kid gets kidnapped or something, I think the police should be free from responsibility to search for your kid. I'd rather not see my tax dollars go towards something that could easily be preventable.
Sadly not the first case. We've already had a women arrested for letting her son play in the park while she was at work.
Too many busybodies who want to corral their neighbors now, and people keep buying into neighborhoods with HOAs wich attract these kinds of people like magnets,
Couldn't he call his lawyer while they were making that threat?
He could. But it wouldn't matter. In Maryland, CPS is still allowed to remove the children and place them in shelter care until a court hearing can be scheduled.
"(ii) Unless extended on good cause shown, a shelter care hearing shall be held not later than the next day on which the circuit court is in session."
An attorney might be able to force CPS to follow the rules, i.e. place the children with a family member, but CPS can STILL remove the children from their home before locating a family member willing and able to take the children. Because, you know, a signed safety plan protects a child. As if...
*I am trying hard not to blast these CPS workers because, God knows, they have a very important job. But I have seen so much crap coming from Child Protective Services it's difficult for me to restrain myself in this particular case.*
I had the same experiences of wandering the neighborhood and our town and we just had to be in by dark. It's good for children's development to explore their surroundings without the authorities hovering over them in the name of "safety". The crime rate has actually gone down in the decades since we were allowed to freely wander around the neighborhood as kids....which makes these laws even more ridiculous.
Kids today are losing out and it is indeed very sad.
Me too and this was inner city Chicago.
About a year ago, I happened to be walking to the store when a grammar school was just letting out. I noticed kids from ages around six up to maybe ten were being escorted by a grownup one by one on their way home. It didn't look like much fun to me.
I guess this is the way things are now but it made me kind of sad. I lived a mile from the grammar schools which I attended in each of the three neighborhoods I lived in when I was a kid. Other than taking me to kindergarten the first day, my mom never took me to and from school. Instead, my older sister had to take me (like it or not) when I was very little and when I was older, I went with my friends. We almost always traveled in bunches.
That was probably the best part of the school day; meeting up with your friends to go home. Going to school we would usually meet up along the way too. Although we never thought about it I guess there was safety in numbers and our parents taught us about stranger danger although it wasn't called that. It was just "Don't go near a car if someone asks you directions while sitting in one and if someone approaches you on the street, run like Hell."
We also played outside on our own and made it out alive. The sidewalks were full of kids. Has the world changed that it's so unsafe now that someone rats on someone else just for letting their kids free range?
I think I am grateful to have lived in a time when kids had their world and adults had theirs. We knew our parents were there for us when we needed them but they also knew when we didn't need them so we were actually allowed to be kids but we were also allowed to grow up.
If you are a decent parent (as the father in this instance), you will agree to cooperate with CPS until the case can be heard by the courts. You would not want your children scooped up by strangers, i.e., CPS workers, and cared for by other strangers. You swallow your pride, sign the damn "safety plan" and then reach out to the press and/or hire an attorney.
Spoken like a true comrade, just like I said. That sounds like the sort of thing one would say to a robber who has a gun to your head, and come to think of it, I tend to think of CPS as being just that. While that approach may be sound judgment for getting through the mess, it's also tantamount to cow-towing and giving legitimacy to these sorts of things. I for one prefer those who take a stand against such evil and seek to DEFEAT it. It has NOTHING to do with personal pride, it has to do with our society being a decent place where we mind our own flipping business in these sorts of situations.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who would blame the parents and say the children were removed because of their lack of cooperation is being no different than saying that someone who is NOT being belligerent but is the victim of police brutality is nonetheless to blame because they didn't just bend over and take it up the tailpipe. Great day in the world. I tend to think that the reason such evil exists is because people are too much of a spineless jellyfish type of person to stand up to anything.
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Originally Posted by stellastar2345
ok, and if your kid gets kidnapped or something, I think the police should be free from responsibility to search for your kid. I'd rather not see my tax dollars go towards something that could easily be preventable.
What a ridiculous that is. Of course you'd want the police to intervene if your child was kidnapped, but to suggest that means the parent was to BLAME? Gee that's rich, you're more worried about what your freedom is COSTING you (in tax dollars) than that we should have freedom to start with. That to me sounds like the absolute definition of a sell-out.
Most of the time, things seemed better back then, because people were more ignorant. There was no social media, internet, or other related technology. People didn't know what went on outside of their circles. You could say ignorance was bliss. It was the "good old days' because of exactly that reason. Things weren't better then, people just knew less of what went on. People don't get more evil because of advancements and technology.
It's a wonder those of us who enjoyed a "normal" childhood, meaning our parents were our parents, that we survived that horrible way to be raised. Freedom to walk to school by ourselves or with the neighborhood kids, the freedom to ride our bikes around the neighborhood(s), to town and only to be home before dark. Shameful way to raise children!!!
Spoken like a true comrade, just like I said. That sounds like the sort of thing one would say to a robber who has a gun to your head, and come to think of it, I tend to think of CPS as being just that. While that approach may be sound judgment for getting through the mess, it's also tantamount to cow-towing and giving legitimacy to these sorts of things. I for one prefer those who take a stand against such evil and seek to DEFEAT it. It has NOTHING to do with personal pride, it has to do with our society being a decent place where we mind our own flipping business in these sorts of situations. <snip>
I just saw on the other thread that you don't have children. I'm also guessing you've never been in the position of witnessing terrified children being dragged away from Mom or Dad. Traumatizing? You betcha. Rule No. 1: You protect your children. Rule No. 2: Parents should NEVER use their children to advance their own agenda.
Here's the deal, Comrade. If a parent can't pull up his big boy panties and "take a stand against such evil" without throwing his kids to the wolves, then it's best he not have children.
BTW, I would provide legal representation to the Montgomery County parents in a heart beat. I would NOT be willing to represent the father in a CINA proceeding had he callously allowed CPS to remove his children because he didn't want to sign a stupid safety plan.
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But, I'm not a huge fan of Fox either because of all the Celebrity news, which should not be news at all....
