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Old 01-17-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why hire a single mom with 4 kids to operate a cash register if you will penalize me for it?

Even with decent pay for a low skill entry opening she would qualify for food stamps.
That's right. Do that and employers have the right to question people about their finances and not offer them a job if they are the ones going to be penalized.

This thread is right up there for a darwin award.
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Old 01-17-2015, 04:32 PM
 
Location: NJ
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freemkt
"I have had zero desire ".


No one would argue against that valid point you made.

If you have no desire, why should anyone have some on YOUR behalf?
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In the year 2015 maybe about 25% of all jobs pay at a rate that allows full time workers to get government benefits. Even if the current people who are working in these jobs get training and move out of the low wage workplace someone else will take their place. So the argument that low wage workers just need to get more skills and education to move up does not really help the situation. Face it, no matter who is working in these jobs at any time, a large number of jobs in America pay under $10 an hour. And these are the jobs that are growing in today's economy. If you want a job, these are the jobs the typical American can get. And they are not jobs for kids and senior citizens anymore. Lots of the folks working at McDonalds are bring up a family on that job's income.

So, who should pay for the government benefits for the 25% of households whose primary bread winner is making $8 an hour or less than $20K a year?

Is it the responsibility of the employers of low wage labor? Or every taxpayer? Or should we just eliminate things like Food Stamps, reduced lunches at school, Medicaid, government paid housing, etc. for people who work?

Remember, someone is going to be doing these low wage jobs regardless of the hopes and dreams of people in them today.


No, the working poor, need two jobs and put in more hours, because they were not smart enough to stay in school and get an education.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:08 PM
 
Location: North America
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Oh man here is the old way thinking. My friend don't you know that upward mobility is almost impossible today the worse it been in awhile, the example of this is in the income/wealth inenquality we see today. Where people who have two college degrees are busing tables and our jobs are being shipped overseas. The traditional goto college for 2/4 years and get a great paying job are not realities anymore for the majority. The only real alternative is to have capital and start your own company. But if you have
All my college friends have jobs, so that is a load of bull****. The only people having issues finding jobs are the ones with worthless degrees or ones in fields that have no growth. Try finding me someone with a degree in computers that can't find work, and then get back to me .
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Oh man here is the old way thinking. My friend don't you know that upward mobility is almost impossible today the worse it been in awhile, the example of this is in the income/wealth inenquality we see today. Where people who have two college degrees are busing tables and our jobs are being shipped overseas. The traditional goto college for 2/4 years and get a great paying job are not realities anymore for the majority. The only real alternative is to have capital and start your own company. But if you have
The problem is many college degrees are worthless.

Fact is many are worse than worthless putting a student into a debt he can never pay off.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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Some degrees are just like skills that have no value to employer and the person can't sell it themselves by being self employed.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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All my college friends have jobs, so that is a load of bull****. The only people having issues finding jobs are the ones with worthless degrees or ones in fields that have no growth. Try finding me someone with a degree in computers that can't find work, and then get back to me .
Oh really do your friends reflect the almost 7% unemployment in this country? Further, tech jobs have been outsourced by the boatload the last decade. Whens the last time you called your cellphone company or get technical support for somthing broken? Ever found an english as a second language speaker? Yup that entry level tech degree is paying off. I don't care spout all the party lines you want the reality is our tech jobs/ white collar jobs are going overseas because its cheaper.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...s-outsourcing/

I can name 10 other sources that will say the same.
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Old 01-17-2015, 06:48 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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^^^^^^^

Now you can blame the lazy workers because they don't want to go get a 4+ year college degree or get in debt five figures or you can put the blame where its suppose to go GREED!
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Old 01-17-2015, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So, who should pay for the government benefits for the 25% of households whose primary bread winner is making $8 an hour or less than $20K a year?
The stupid people who want them, should pay for them.

On Form 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ you can just put a little check box: Are you stupid enough to waste your tax dollars on lazy turds?

And then those idiots can pay an extra $5,000 in taxes to cover the bill.

Problem-solving...

Mircea
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Old 01-17-2015, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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In the year 2015 maybe about 25% of all jobs pay at a rate that allows full time workers to get government benefits. Even if the current people who are working in these jobs get training and move out of the low wage workplace someone else will take their place. So the argument that low wage workers just need to get more skills and education to move up does not really help the situation. Face it, no matter who is working in these jobs at any time, a large number of jobs in America pay under $10 an hour. And these are the jobs that are growing in today's economy. If you want a job, these are the jobs the typical American can get. And they are not jobs for kids and senior citizens anymore. Lots of the folks working at McDonalds are bring up a family on that job's income.

So, who should pay for the government benefits for the 25% of households whose primary bread winner is making $8 an hour or less than $20K a year?

Is it the responsibility of the employers of low wage labor? Or every taxpayer? Or should we just eliminate things like Food Stamps, reduced lunches at school, Medicaid, government paid housing, etc. for people who work?

Remember, someone is going to be doing these low wage jobs regardless of the hopes and dreams of people in them today.
I think YOU should start a business. One where the work is so basic and simple that it can be done by completely unskilled workers. Workers that have proven unwilling or unable to move beyond "burger flipper" jobs. You can pay them as much as you like. After all, business exists to provide for the employees. Run that business for a few years, then you can advise other businesses on how they might do the same.
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