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OK, great. No more partisan divide...and that means what to China, who in 2014 emit more CO2 than China + US + EU did in 2000?
US Democrat, Republicans, hippies and skeptics all agree wholeheartedly, kum bye yah, praise the Lord. And that means what to China?
The US total emission of CO2 IS LOWER than it was 15 years ago. And yet global CO2 emissions have gone up....because of what country? Hmmm, I wonder?
And last I heard, the totally moronic amateur currently occupying the White House agreed to lower US emissions even more, while agreeing with China that China has another 20 years to ponder whether they want to lower theirs at all. Good plan.
The question was asked on the first page, so I'll ask it again - if everyone agrees, and everyone just knows it's "catastrophic" and all that...why does China get to increase total CO2 output more than 300% in 15 years and the best anyone - US, EU, UN IPCC, etc - can come up with for China is "do you think in 20 years you might reconsider talking about it?"
If it's such the monumental global risk, why not go after the world's number one and most rapidly increasing polluter?
Exactly, all we have to do is impose prohibitive trade sanctions. All the left wants to do is ship more jobs to China and India.
But it's totally reasonable to expect people who are concerned about the environment to affect a policy change in a foreign government.
The difference between demanding China change its ways and a boycott is that people actually do have control over what they buy. Just checking the ingredients in your food, or buying fewer electronics would make a difference.
The problem is that people don't care enough to make sacrifices-- they're concerned, but they want the solution to be easy-- but of course, there is no real incentive to make it easy. Every single person in the developed world participates in slave labor and climate change, and Americans are by far the biggest offenders.
It's fine to point out that China has problems but you should know that shipping manufacturing overseas doesn't mean America cares about cutting emissions, it just means that they're good at dodging regulations. You don't suddenly become innocent by making your pollution someone else's problem.
But it's totally reasonable to expect people who are concerned about the environment to affect a policy change in a foreign government.
The difference between demanding China change its ways and a boycott is that people actually do have control over what they buy. Just checking the ingredients in your food, or buying fewer electronics would make a difference.
The problem is that people don't care enough to make sacrifices-- they're concerned, but they want the solution to be easy-- but of course, there is no real incentive to make it easy. Every single person in the developed world participates in slave labor and climate change, and Americans are by far the biggest offenders.
It's fine to point out that China has problems but you should know that shipping manufacturing overseas doesn't mean America cares about cutting emissions, it just means that they're good at dodging regulations. You don't suddenly become innocent by making your pollution someone else's problem.
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Originally Posted by texdav
Nothing has changed really.The lies told like anything have meant their not believed. People follow the money as always. Always some science needing funding even if they can't change anything really. This a new push by same people who claimed ice age and many other things to get what: money.
So brilliant people with extremely high IQs decided to devote their entire adult lives to climate study instead of going into private industry at a higher pay ....... and did that so they could get research money that would be mostly spent on proving something they don't believe in? I don't think so. There are easier ways for bright young people to make money.
If you want to follow the money and learn about the politics, then consider that almost the only climate skeptics in the world are American Republicans, while on the other hand scientists are a mix of all political persuasions.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
the earth warms and cools in cycles...naturally
the natural cycle is contingent on many factors...not just co2, but also methane, sun cycles, earth rotation, weather cycles, water vapor, and core activity
15,000 years ago we were still in an ice age...we have been warming since
sometime in the future (1000-20,000 years) we will hit a peak, and start cooling again , then we will progress back into another ice age
humans have very little effect on the climate (less than 10%)....there is NOTHING we can do to stop the normal climate cycles
saying it is man-made/man-caused....is a lie
There are definitely natural cycles, going back a few billion years. The whole basis of this controversy has been whether this is a natural warming, or if it is caused by human activity rocking the boat, so to speak. Scientists have gathered information and analyzed it, and debated it for many years now, and have come to some basic conclusions. They aren't just sitting around smoking dope and casually making up theories.
Are you an expert on something? Would you appreciate it if amateurs called you a "so-called expert" and casually dismissed all your years of experience? So why not read a website created by actual, credentialed experts?
The people who deny a human-caused component to climate change are amateurs who are able to put up seemingly scientific arguments and charts on their blogs, which can easily convince ordinary people about something they want to believe (there's nothing to worry about). Read the other side of the story, even if it's harder to understand than the amateur stuff.
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OK, great. No more partisan divide...and that means what to China, who in 2014 emit more CO2 than China + US + EU did in 2000?
US Democrat, Republicans, hippies and skeptics all agree wholeheartedly, kum bye yah, praise the Lord. And that means what to China?
The US total emission of CO2 IS LOWER than it was 15 years ago. And yet global CO2 emissions have gone up....because of what country? Hmmm, I wonder?
And last I heard, the totally moronic amateur currently occupying the White House agreed to lower US emissions even more, while agreeing with China that China has another 20 years to ponder whether they want to lower theirs at all. Good plan.
The question was asked on the first page, so I'll ask it again - if everyone agrees, and everyone just knows it's "catastrophic" and all that...why does China get to increase total CO2 output more than 300% in 15 years and the best anyone - US, EU, UN IPCC, etc - can come up with for China is "do you think in 20 years you might reconsider talking about it?"
If it's such the monumental global risk, why not go after the world's number one and most rapidly increasing polluter?
I think most people in the general world want to get China to do something drastic and quickly, but China isn't caving in to any pressure - they've got bigger items on their agenda. Nobody can make China do what China doesn't want to do.
We could impose sanctions, but it would harm our economy greatly, and we couldn't get such actions through Congress as long as the power players in this country, and the general population, don't take it very seriously.
I have no idea about what the solutions might be for this problem - we can do some things like color roads and rooftops a lighter color around the world, but that might just destabilize climate even more in unpredicted ways...... there are lots of ideas. As I've said before, first there needs to be an acknowledgment that there is a problem, before there can be much of a will among ordinary people and their overlords to pony up a lot more money for research about what could safely be done.
Yeah, I'll start worrying about global warming when those crying the loudest about global warming start acting like they believe there is such a thing as global warming and when Al Gore, et al, starts taking the bus.
A squadron of 1,700 private jets are rumbling into Davos, Switzerland, this week to discuss global warming and other issues as the annual World Economic Forum gets underway.
he influx of private jets is so great, the Swiss Armed Forces has been forced to open up a military air base for the first time ever to absorb all the super rich flying their private jets into the event, reports
the natural cycle is contingent on many factors...not just co2, but also the mixture of: co2, methane, sun cycles, earth rotation, weather cycles, water vapor, and core activity
15,000 years ago we were still in an ice age...we have been warming since
sometime in the future (1000-20,000 years) we will hit a peak, and start cooling again , then we will progress back into another ice age
humans have very little effect on the climate (less than 10%)....there is NOTHING we can do to stop the normal climate cycles
"Scientists disagree over its significance, but there is little doubt that the rapid warming of the 1980s and early 1990s has slowed – although greenhouse gas emissions have surged."
'Little things' like right-wing tabloid journalists making up stuff to misrepresent the science so they can make headlines to sell more advertising?
Um okay. That happens all the time.
Now let's hear what NASA-NOAA really said instead of what David Rose of the Daily Mail UK tabloid pulled out of his nether regions yet again.
But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good ole anti-science conspiracy theory.... and advertising revenue?
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