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Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today
Where did the story of the no-go zones come from? Daniel Pipes, a U.S. historian and political commentator, says he believes he was the first person to refer to disadvantaged French neighborhoods as no-go zones. In a 2006 article, he said the existence of the zones suggested "that the French state no longer has full control over its territory."
Pipes now says he was mistaken. In 2013, after traveling to several listed Paris neighborhoods and mainly immigrant and Muslim areas of five other European cities, he wrote: "For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe, too, but there things look fine … hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. … Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones," he wrote.
In an e-mail to Bloomberg Businessweek today, Pipes says that a no-go zone "is a place where the government has lost control and cannot enforce the rule of law." There are, he now says, "no European countries with no-go zones."
Meanwhile, though, the idea of European no-go zones took root. After riots broke out in some French suburbs in 2012, analyst Soeren Kern of the Gatestone Institute, a New York-based think tank, wrote that France was trying to "reclaim no-go zones," including the areas that had been listed in Pipes's 2006 report. Kern defined them as "Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off-limits to non-Muslims." In other reports, Kern has written that Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Sweden also have no-go zones.
Fox news commentator Peterson, a freelance writer and U.S. Air Force veteran, didn't respond to messages sent via his website and Twitter feed. But according to his website, he studied in Paris from 2004 to 2006 after graduating from the Air Force Academy. In a Jan. 10 Fox News interview, Peterson said he visited some areas around Paris that were "pretty scary. I've been to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir, India, and at times it felt like … those places. You see young men wearing Osama bin Laden T-shirts."
As with many urban legends, there are grains of truth in this one. Many French Muslims live in tough, isolated neighborhoods and have faced discrimination in housing and employment. Sometimes, police are afraid to respond to calls from dangerous neighborhoods in France and elsewhere. A few years ago, an Islamist group in Britain demanded that the government establish autonomous sharia-governed zones in some cities. The government swiftly outlawed the group, and it hasn't been heard from since.
The next stop for the no-go legend could be the U.S. "This is actually a strategy that is slowly being implemented worldwide by radical Islam," Harry Houck, identified as a private investigator and retired New York City police detective, told conservative news website Newsmax on Tuesday
Seems it is rather a bit of banter by a few then carried like a torch by some in the GOP and on Fox.
Birmingham England is now Muslim? that makes me sad that the same city that gave us Black Sabbath and Duran Duran (and countless other Rock and Roll bands)is now Islamic.
Again FOX and Jindal didnt start the whole No Go Zone issue.
I have first hand knowledge of these no go zones from a family of Sikhs that moved out of London several years ago because of the "No Go zone" issues and the horrible radicalization of young Muslim boys and men.
Sure, they all found time to look up the dire warnings of an obscure bishop whose main cause was to warn about a rise in disestablishmentarianism. And I might add that this bishop was smart enough to avoid naming where the "no-go zones" were, just that they were there. Fox et al. were just too dumb to keep it vague.
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Reason: Bulldogdad kindly pointed out a typo.
Sure, they all found time to look up the dire warnings of an obscure bishop whose main cause was to warn about a rise in disestablishmentarianism. And I might add that this bishop was smart enough to avoid naming where the "no-go zones" were, just that they were there. Fox et a.l were just too dumb to keep it vague.
Again FOX and Jindal didnt start the whole No Go Zone issue.
I have first hand knowledge of these no go zones from a family of Sikhs that moved out of London several years ago because of the "No Go zone" issues and the horrible radicalization of young Muslim boys and men.
Pipes now says he was mistaken. In 2013, after traveling to several listed Paris neighborhoods and mainly immigrant and Muslim areas of five other European cities, he wrote: "For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe, too, but there things look fine … hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. … Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones," he wrote.
In an e-mail to Bloomberg Businessweek today, Pipes says that a no-go zone "is a place where the government has lost control and cannot enforce the rule of law." There are, he now says, "no European countries with no-go zones."
OK? Will this do as regards "the Man himself"?
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Again FOX and Jindal didnt start the whole No Go Zone issue.
No, they were just too stupid or too sloppy to vet their sources.
- you may want to ctrl-F for the words "Jan. 16, 2013 update".
So, no interview. No misquoting. And he does, indeed, "regret having called these areas no-go zones".
And, of course, BW emailed him for a comment. Unless you're now going to argue that Bloomberg just makes it up, but I'm perhaps leaning more towards them over you right now, in the entire "credibility" department.
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