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So, aren't straights getting that federal civil marriage license for those wonderful benefits too? We can have non binding ceremonies just as you straight people do, but do you straight people settle for just those ceremonies? No, you go for the license too.
If your question is whether or not Americans are hypocrites, the answer is "Yes".
But that doesn't make TrapperJohn wrong. Nor does Americans being hypocrites mean that the solution is to allow same-sex marriage.
For instance, my solution would be to "get the government out of marriage".
For that matter, if Americans so overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage, why is the issue going to be resolved by the Supreme Court? Shouldn't it be resolved by the states themselves? I mean, if an amendment which was created in 1866, and ratified in 1868, guaranteed a right for same-sex marriage, then why is it only now becoming a "right" nearly 150 years later?
but the tenth amendment rules over the fourteenth since it is part of the bill of rights.
You do not know about Loving verses the state of Virginia? What rock have you been hiding under? That decision overruled all state bans on interracial marriage when more then 70% of the US population was against interracial marriage.
IF EVERYONE IS ALLOWED MARRIAGE, THEN EVERYONE IS EQUAL, that is the basis of marriage equality. Interesting how heterosexuals want the government out of marriage when gays want marriage. How many of you saying that are getting a divorce and doing away with those government benefits and rights? Come on now, tell us, which one of you has given up those 1049 federal rights for just a religious marriage?
Well, marriage itself creates an inequality. Why should a couple be forced to get married just to receive the benefits of being married? What about single people? Or people who are only cohabitating? Why does the government dangle these benefits in front of our faces, trying to control our behavior?
Isn't the only way to actually have equality, to "get the government out of marriage"?
For that matter, if Americans so overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage, why is the issue going to be resolved by the Supreme Court? Shouldn't it be resolved by the states themselves? I mean, if an amendment which was created in 1866, and ratified in 1868, guaranteed a right for same-sex marriage, then why is it only now becoming a "right" nearly 150 years later?
It's being resolved by the Scotus for the same reason interracial marriage was resolved by the Scotus. There are some obnoxious bigots in this country who want others to suffer, because they disagree with what and who they are and won't budge without being forced by a legal entity.
As to why it wasn't declared a right earlier, that would be because it wasn't challenged. Gays weren't allowed to be open back then. Just admitting you were gay would get you executed. Obviously marriage took a backseat to their survival. Now that society as progressed so gays can live in relative safety, things like marriage can be addressed.
Will it help Gays? What is next? Churches that don't perform weddings for gay couples will become the new target?
No, churches are protected from marrying anyone they do not want to marry, if they do not want to marry an interracial couple, they do not have to. It has been almost 50 years since interracial bans were struck down and no church has been forced to perform one if they do not want to.
If your question is whether or not Americans are hypocrites, the answer is "Yes".
But that doesn't make TrapperJohn wrong. Nor does Americans being hypocrites mean that the solution is to allow same-sex marriage.
For instance, my solution would be to "get the government out of marriage".
For that matter, if Americans so overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage, why is the issue going to be resolved by the Supreme Court? Shouldn't it be resolved by the states themselves? I mean, if an amendment which was created in 1866, and ratified in 1868, guaranteed a right for same-sex marriage, then why is it only now becoming a "right" nearly 150 years later?
Why did it take 100 years for the same law apply to African Americans . I think that pretty much sticks a nail in that argument. A lot of the growing support from gay marriage comes from people 30 and under. If you were to wait 10 years than it likely would be able to win by virtue of pressure on legislatures and ballot measures. The problem is that under 30 year olds are fickle when it comes to elections and don't make up a large enough amount of the voting block to translate into political power.
But don't use me as an example. This article shows a precipitous rise in the number of people 25 or older who have never been married. It has gone from about 10% in 1960, to around 20% now. And seems to be accelerating.
And that isn't because people are choosing not to have relationships, they are just choosing not to get married.
Which means if we are being fair, the government is already discriminating against people who don't want to be forced to get married. In fact, the secular institution of marriage only truly exists to control behavior by dangling benefits in front of our faces.
Thus if you really want to be fair, the fight you should be waging is in abolishing those benefits altogether. Not in simply granting them to a new class of people.
If your question is whether or not Americans are hypocrites, the answer is "Yes".
But that doesn't make TrapperJohn wrong. Nor does Americans being hypocrites mean that the solution is to allow same-sex marriage.
For instance, my solution would be to "get the government out of marriage".
For that matter, if Americans so overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage, why is the issue going to be resolved by the Supreme Court? Shouldn't it be resolved by the states themselves? I mean, if an amendment which was created in 1866, and ratified in 1868, guaranteed a right for same-sex marriage, then why is it only now becoming a "right" nearly 150 years later?
Well, Americans did not overwhelmingly support interracial marriage, 70% were against, should we revoce interracial marriage then?
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. I think that pretty much sticks a nail in that argument. A lot of the growing support from gay marriage comes from people 30 and under. If you were to wait 10 years than it likely would be able to win by virtue of pressure on legislatures and ballot measures. The problem is that under 30 year olds are fickle when it comes to elections and don't make up a large enough amount of the voting block to translate into political power.
