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Old 01-21-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't even know of any muslim bakeries, so how would I ask them for anything?

Can you show an example of a muslim bakery discriminating in their sales?
Look one up, and ask them. They will refuse and then you get to sue them, just like the Christians were sued.

 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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So what is a valid reason to discriminate?
Any reason at all. It's called being a free country.
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I don't like your type?
I don't like women?
I don't like muslims?
I don't like Christians?
I don't like blacks?
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.
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Who decides if it is a valid reason? The courts?
The person doing the discriminating is the one who decides. Again, the "free country" concept.
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Do you want the courts to decide if your beliefs are valid?
No, I'm not a liberal. That's what liberals do, not conservatives. And that's part of the reason why your beliefs are the ones enshrined in law and not mine. Because unlike you, I'm unwilling to use the law to force people to conform to my beliefs. As far as I'm concerned gay marriage is fine and racial discrimination is fine. I do not follow the religious fundamentalists with trying to enforce Biblical morality and I do not follow you trying to enforce political correctness. There should be no government discrimination of any sort, but what private individuals choose to do should be up to those individuals.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not anymore. If the customer belongs to "protected class", then you have to do as they say even if it means violating God's law. The only other choice is to face legal action, which is what the bakers did. The new laws supporing the gay agenda trumps the Constitution.
Religious freedom doesn't give anyone freedom to discriminate. Let me know where in the Constitution it says you can discriminate based on religious beliefs.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Any reason at all. It's called being a free country.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.

The person doing the discriminating is the one who decides. Again, the "free country" concept.

No, I'm not a liberal. That's what liberals do, not conservatives. And that's part of the reason why your beliefs are the ones enshrined in law and not mine. Because unlike you, I'm unwilling to use the law to force people to conform to my beliefs. As far as I'm concerned gay marriage is fine and racial discrimination is fine. I do not follow the religious fundamentalists with trying to enforce Biblical morality and I do not follow you trying to enforce political correctness. There should be no government discrimination of any sort, but what private individuals choose to do should be up to those individuals.
And here I thought conservatives were for civil rights. And yet here we are with some conservatives thinking it is okay to discriminate based on race. You guys long for the days of "whites only" businesses, don't you?
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Religious freedom doesn't give anyone freedom to discriminate. Let me know where in the Constitution it says you can discriminate based on religious beliefs.
1st amendment prohibits laws which force people to act against their religion.

This is exactly what I was afraid of. Once gay marriage is pushed through, they take it to he next level and play the victim card about everythig claiming "discrimination" and suing people for not agreeing with gay agenda.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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1st amendment prohibits laws which force people to act against their religion.
Well, that isn't what the first amendment actually does. But you keep believing in that myth.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Look one up, and ask them. They will refuse and then you get to sue them, just like the Christians were sued.
Pretty hard to find in rural Mississippi. But please go on and show an example of a Muslim owned business violating anti discrimination laws.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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1st amendment prohibits laws which force people to act against their religion.

This is exactly what I was afraid of. Once gay marriage is pushed through, they take it to he next level and play the victim card about everythig claiming "discrimination" and suing people for not agreeing with gay agenda.
People, not businesses. When you go get that business license you have to follow the same laws as all other business owners.
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Pretty hard to find in rural Mississippi. But please go on and show an example of a Muslim owned business violating anti discrimination laws.
You are the one suggesting muslims bake cakes for gay weddings, so show me one which has provided cakes for gay weddings. Or are you saying they are also being threatened by legal action unless they bend over?
 
Old 01-21-2015, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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People, not businesses. When you go get that business license you have to follow the same laws as all other business owners.
The Consitution does not differentiate.
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