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Old 01-21-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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Go set up your little commune where nobody needs money and everybody does their fair share of work. I bet it will be quite successful and grow and grow and grow.

Meanwhile, in the real world, capital drives innovation, people mainly purchase based on price and if you can't compete, you go out of business.

Tell your unicorn I said hi.

This is your best retort?? A childish and inane comment substituting for lack of a real synopsis of your position??

Next.........
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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Unions have done good things, but the way things are now, when it's time to tighten budgets the answer from unions is to cut everyone else's pay but theirs. They also are opposed to firing useless employees. In many cases, unions are not much better than the bloated corporations / government agencies they work for.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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I can show you data that the ocean's fish populations have dropped along side union membership declining, but that doesn't make causation.

Liberals always have to blame someone.
Oh I see you aren't that b....t. Look comparing the impact of unions on workers wages and benefits as the same as the impact of unions on fish. smh, conservatives are in fantasyland.


Again, conservatives have insisted that unions suck and are bad for American workers, while the data is fairly consistent since declining unionization, workers wages, and benefits have slowed and in some instances declined despite increased worker productivity and increased national wealth.

Since the decline of unions and if according to conservatives unions are bad, what has gotten better for American workers?

This is a question that conservatives would ask if their hatred of unions was rooted in policy and not ideology.

If one believes unions hurt workers then one would seek to measure how much better workers have it without unions using objective data, but no such data exists.

So why haven't conservatives changed their tune about unions or are seeking some way to improve things for American workers?

Because they don't care about American workers, they care about their ideology.

Reality is meaningless to conservatives.

Over and over and over again conservatives ignore real problems which conflict with their ideology.
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Old 01-22-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Did you ever witness good employees being laid off while crappy ones kept their jobs due to seniority union rules?
Oh, yes! In fact, it happened to me on the "open shop, union member" job. I was one of a four member crew working a certain modification, and the shop did not want to lay me off, but they had to because of "union rules".
I also saw a union member, in the "closed shop, union member" job, get fired, and the union did nothing more than file a token grievance which, of course, was denied, at which point the union rolled over and said "There is nothing more we can do!"
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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I read somewhere that unions are responsible for the weekend, 8 hour work days, etc. Things that's aren't so profitable to business but improve the common's man life. Where they really necessary though?
Unions are fine... IF:

Participation is voluntary.
They can only represent one employer's employees.
They cannot represent any public employee
They cannot collude with each other, in ANY way.

Then, unions are fine.

But no liberal wants that, they want monopolies on power.
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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If by better you mean ten year old children working sixty hours a week for twelve cents an hour, under frighteningly dangerous conditions, yes.
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No, OP, long ago the unions served a useful purpose.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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I have no knowledge of history so of course labor unions are evil. The GOP said so.
"I have no knowledge of history" Truer words were never typed!
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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This is your best retort?? A childish and inane comment substituting for lack of a real synopsis of your position??

Next.........
Yes, like many of your posts.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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Again if conservatives are concerned and care about American workers and since Union membership has declined in part because of conservative polices and their belief that unions are bad, then things should have dramatically improved for working Americans.

What has improved for working Americans since the decline of unions?
Unions killed off all their industries. You should rethink suicide pacts. They are not a benefit to anyone.
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