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Old 02-10-2015, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Is there something in our current labor laws that isn't being addressed? Is there something about sitting in a swivel chair and stamping pieces of paper that's super dangerous and represent poor working conditions? Are state employees not being paid a fair wage?

Help me out here.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Did you know state workers also mow lawns, pick up trash, and work in sewer systems?

IDK if you knew that...
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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The same reason everyone else should be able to form labor unions, because people have the right to associate with whomever they want to when they are creating business contracts. The way I see it restricting labor unions is anti-capitalistic since you are interfering in folks right to contract and negotiate with whom they like when selling their labor. People should be free to work together in contracting with another party to ensure the best price for their services in a negotiation.

I seriously doubt if anyone on the right would tolerate the government telling small business partners who they contracted with that they were not allowed to be business partners when dealing with them and that they had to break up their partnerships and do business individually with the state, so why is it acceptable to do it with people essentially selling their labor.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:36 PM
 
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Is there something in our current labor laws that isn't being addressed? Is there something about sitting in a swivel chair and stamping pieces of paper that's super dangerous and represent poor working conditions? Are state employees not being paid a fair wage?

Help me out here.
Their livelihoods are in the hands of politicians... That should answer your question.

FYI, everyone should be in a labor union since the minimum wage is at slave levels.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:39 PM
 
Location: SoCal & Mid-TN
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The same reason everyone else should be able to form labor unions, because people have the right to associate with whomever they want to when they are creating business contracts. The way I see it restricting labor unions is anti-capitalistic since you are interfering in folks right to contract and negotiate with whom they like when selling their labor. People should be free to work together in contracting with another party to ensure the best price for their services in a negotiation.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Did you know state workers also mow lawns, pick up trash, and work in sewer systems?

IDK if you knew that...
I was aware. Is there something in our current labor laws that isn't being addressed, even for those people, OR are they not being paid a fair wage? Maybe you can point that out?
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The same reason everyone else should be able to form labor unions, because people have the right to associate with whomever they want to when they are creating business contracts. The way I see it restricting labor unions is anti-capitalistic since you are interfering in folks right to contract and negotiate with whom they like when selling their labor. People should be free to work together in contracting with another party to ensure the best price for their services in a negotiation.

I seriously doubt if anyone on the right would tolerate the government telling small business partners who they contracted with that they were not allowed to be business partners when dealing with them and that they had to break up their partnerships and do business individually with the state, so why is it acceptable to do it with people essentially selling their labor.
They are. And the people who hire should be free to reject those who unionize, yes?
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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I was aware. Is there something in our current labor laws that isn't being addressed, even for those people, OR are they not being paid a fair wage? Maybe you can point that out?
I'm not sure. I don't know why it's a big deal tbh, if they want to unionize, why not? But you made it sound like government is just a bunch of paper pushers that never get in harms way. If fire fighters want to unionize because they don't believe they're compensated fairly for the dangerous work they do, so what?
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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They are. And the people who hire should be free to reject those who unionize, yes?
When the people who hire are not people but the state and the leverage the law to reject unions its a little bit different don't you think? Aside from that with private business how they deal with open shop vs union shops should be their business. With that said conservatives have constantly stepped in via state right to work laws law to ban union shops in a lot of states, which is why I doubt all their bluster about being true capitalists.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:49 PM
 
Location: NC
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Unions love municipalities They tend not to get shipped overseas or go out of business
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