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Old 01-22-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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I believe your question misses the mark though is well taken. Equating news organizations, whether it is Fox News, NYT, CBS, MSNBC, as political enterprises are really quite the stretch but are not the issue. In the Citizens United context, it is not a question whether the Koch Inc., Apple, Haliburton, etc. are "political enterprises" but whether these corporations or any individual should be permitted to spend unlimited funds in US elections or whether there should be caps on spending.
That isn't what McCain/Feingold did.
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Old 01-22-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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Well, that is one thing Obama is right about.

It is ridiculous to allow huge corporations to dump massive amounts of money into US politics. We don't even know whether the money originates in this country.

Give the leading candidates $1 million in public funding and then let them get out on the stump like they used to.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The Citizens United decision was probably one of the very worst decisions ever made by the supreme court.

It guarantees that your politicians and your government are bought and paid for by special interests.

It was a huge step towards a truly fascist United States of America.
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Old 01-22-2015, 10:55 PM
 
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He's absolutely right. It was an atrocious decision by the right-wing corrupted Supreme Court, and it undermines our democracy. How in the world can you Republicans say this is how this country should work?

Obama: Citizens United Caused ‘Real Harm’ to U.S. Democracy - Law Blog - WSJ
you are right, and the result was that we got president obama, the worst president in history.
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Old 01-22-2015, 11:34 PM
 
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Make it illegal for all private and public unions to contribute one red cent to any political campaign and make it a criminal offense for unions to collectively support any candidate or legislation. Until then SUCK IT.
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Old 01-23-2015, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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He's been wrong about lots of things throughout his Presidency, but he's always been a thin-skinned temperamental radical who doesn't believe in compromising for the good of the country, and never admits responsibility for anything.
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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governments are corporations

what is a corporation .... a group of people

definition of corporation: 1. group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law
2. A group of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
3. In Fascist Italy, a joint association of employers' and workers' representatives.(unions)

definition of union: 1. A club, society, or association formed by people with a common interest or purpose
2. An organization of workers joined to protect their common interests

a union is a corporation

just like the DNC or RNC is a corporation

who is the biggest employer....the government (FYI ..walmart is number 2)
who is the biggest producer of GNP....the government
While I agree that some Corporations control larger economies than some Countries, I still think it's 'apples & oranges' to compare the 'mission statement' of a Corporation to the objectives stated in a Country's Constitution (f.e.). Personally I don't think it makes much sense to place a Peoples' financial sovereignty into the 'hands' of Corporations. (Is this the infamous 'Invisible Hand'? Personally, I don't think the metaphor intended to suggest.) Legal however fictional characters (Corporations) owe no allegiance or responsibility to the People. The model is designed to avoid liability & not to encourage responsibility.

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corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. – Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
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criminal, n. A person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. – Howard Scott, first Research Director for the IWW
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:50 AM
 
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It's always been that way but before it was unions and organized crime owning the politicians.

Does anyone need a reminder of what party unions and organized crime wanted in power?
It's always been that way?

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“Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic. But will they keep it… Law is often the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual… I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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“The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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“Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters”.
- President Grover Cleveland
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For nearly two hundred years, the Supreme Court rejected the argument that corporations were entitled to the rights of citizens under the Constitution’s “privileges and immunities” clause. In 1839, the Court said, “The only rights [a corporation] can claim are the rights which are given to it in that character, and not the rights which belong to its members as citizens of a state” (Bank of Augusta v Earle, 1839).

Fifty years later, the Court said that the term “citizens” in the Constitution “applies only to natural persons, members of the body politic owing allegiance to the state, and not to artificial persons created by the legislature, and possessing only such attributes as the legislature has prescribed” (Pembina Consolidated Mining Co. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, 1888).
Personally, I think some of the earlier folks had a healthier skepticism towards.

I think Thomas Jefferson was referring to the British East India Company when he said "moneyed incorporations".
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Old 01-23-2015, 04:55 AM
 
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The Citizens United decision was probably one of the very worst decisions ever made by the supreme court.

It guarantees that your politicians and your government are bought and paid for by special interests.

It was a huge step towards a truly fascist United States of America.
How did it do that?
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Old 01-23-2015, 05:03 AM
 
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How did it do that?
I suggest examining Supreme Court Justice Powell's Memorandum of 1971 to provide context & to more fully understand &/or trace the roots.
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