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Old 01-24-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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I think we need to define what exactly we consider a free market. One where the government plays no part in business whatsoever? Or one where it plays a role in regulating only things like EEOC, healthcare,etc etc etc?
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:10 AM
 
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This is a very juvenile post. Free markets and lawlessness are totally unrelated. YOu should learn a little about the topic before posting.
Question to you as well. How are a free market and lawlessness different?
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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I think we need to define what exactly we consider a free market. One where the government plays no part in business whatsoever? Or one where it plays a role in regulating only things like EEOC, healthcare,etc etc etc?
The only thing I can get behind the government regulating would be polluting public property. If a private company has a lake on their property and they want to poison it, then go for it. But the moment that pollution goes off of their property then they have to suffer the consequences.

Other than that the government should stay out of business all together. If a company doesn't want to give you healthcare (or offers healthcare you don't agree with) then go find a different job. If you feel that a business isn't paying you a fair wage, then go find a different job. Right now, when it comes to business, the government is just a middle man on steroids trying to keep everyone happy, which cannot work. People need to accept that life isn't fair and sometimes you lose, the quicker you accept that, the easier life becomes.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Question to you as well. How are a free market and lawlessness different?
A free market doesn't give you the right to murder.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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It would look like it did here until the late 1800's.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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The only thing I can get behind the government regulating would be polluting public property. If a private company has a lake on their property and they want to poison it, then go for it. But the moment that pollution goes off of their property then they have to suffer the consequences.

Other than that the government should stay out of business all together. If a company doesn't want to give you healthcare (or offers healthcare you don't agree with) then go find a different job. If you feel that a business isn't paying you a fair wage, then go find a different job. Right now, when it comes to business, the government is just a middle man on steroids trying to keep everyone happy, which cannot work. People need to accept that life isn't fair and sometimes you lose, the quicker you accept that, the easier life becomes.
So what happens when a handful of multinationals eat up the competition and you lack a new place to work ? Or they decide to skimp on pay every so often just because they can. See that's the downside of the idea. As for polluting the private lake, it's going to always affect people. Even more important is caring what happens to your planet .
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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A free market doesn't give you the right to murder.
I don't think anyone argued that it did.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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So what happens when a handful of multinationals eat up the competition and you lack a new place to work ? Or they decide to skimp on pay every so often just because they can. See that's the downside of the idea. As for polluting the private lake, it's going to always affect people. Even more important is caring what happens to your planet .
If we as a society allow multinationals to eat up the competition then we have to live with that. In a free market, we as the consumers decide which companies flourish, through the use of our dollar bill. There is no more government giving tax breaks to large corporations so they can expand, or build a new headquarter in their city. There is no government forcing citizens of a city to fund half of a billion dollars to build a football stadium for a multi-billion non-profit orgainzation. These ventures will be done on the companies own dime, if they can't afford it, then they can't do it.

Also I am not sure how poisoning a private lake affects other people. You are gonna have to expand on that one.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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I don't think anyone argued that it did.
Lawlessness allows you to murder other people...... Seeing the difference?
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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If we as a society allow multinationals to eat up the competition then we have to live with that. In a free market, we as the consumers decide which companies flourish, through the use of our dollar bill. There is no more government giving tax breaks to large corporations, so they can expand or build a new headquarter in their city. There is no government forcing citizens of a city to fund half of a billion dollars to build a football stadium. These ventures will be done on the companies own dime, if they can't afford it, then they can't do it.


Society really wouldn't have a choice because there would be no mechanism to reign those companies in :-P. Once a company chokes off the competition you won't have anywhere to go to decide which companies flourish. And once a company gets that large it's going to be nearly impossible to reign them in. While I think certain regulations can get to the point of the ridiculous *such as health workers shutting down lemonade stands* I don't believe it's in peoples best interest to have none either.


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Also I am not sure how poisoning a private lake affects other people. You are gonna have to expand on that one.
Unless the lake is artificial it's going to always have tributaries that feed into it and go out of it. Even if it's artificial the pollution can potentially seep into the groundwater, depending on it's construction.
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