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It could be any store or public place. I just used Walmart as an example because that's where the incident in the OP took place.
I was having some fun. But the obvious thing to do if you see someone tucking a gun in his pants before entering a store is to go to a different store. If you are inclined, dial 911 and tell them what happened.
I was having some fun. But the obvious thing to do if you see someone tucking a gun in his pants before entering a store is to go to a different store. If you are inclined, dial 911 and tell them what happened.
The obvious thing to do is ignore it because the chances are so low that they're a criminal, that you're just causing trouble for everyone! Just as you don't know if the car coming at you at 45mph in the next lane is driven by a drunk driver or a tired driver or has multiple DUI convictions! What is the anti-gun fascination with getting the police called on innocent people? You call us "ammosexuals" and "gun fetishists" maybe I should start calling y'all "violence fetishists" or "SWATosexuals" for your lust for such an event!
It is not the first time I've seen these photos. I know the background of both of these. One is from a group called "open carry Texas", obviously in Texas. Texas has no requirement for permits to carry rifles.
The other is from a gang called Hillside Locos Sur-13 in Tennessee, just outside of Nashville. Be real... these guys don't have CCWs.
These links are where this photo comes from and sheds a little light on the origin.
Using common sense, do you think these gang members went through the following, and meet all of the requirements. It really would be quite unusual if they did.
Qualifications That Must Be Met Before Applying for a Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit
Effective July 1, 2005, Tennessee handgun carry permit law will now allow certain applicants already exempt from complying with firing range provisions of the current statute to also be exempt from any classroom requirements. Those current exceptions are applicants who prove to the department that within five (5) years from the date of application for handgun permit, the applicant has:
Been certified by the police officer's standards and training commission, or
successfully completed training at the law enforcement training academy; or
successfully completed the firearms training course required for armed security guards; or
successfully completed all handgun training of not less than four (4) hours as required by any branch of the military.
Applicants are required to be a resident of the State of Tennessee;
Be at least twenty-one (21) years of age;
Applicants shall not have been convicted of any felony offense punishable for a term exceeding one (1) year;
Applicants shall not currently be under indictment or information for any criminal offense punishable by a term exceeding one (1) year;
Shall not be currently the subject of any order of protection;
Shall not be a fugitive from justice;
Shall not be an unlawful user of or addicted to alcohol or any controlled substance and the applicant has not been a patient in a rehabilitation program or hospitalized for alcohol or controlled substance abuse or addiction within ten (10) years from the date of application;
The applicant has not been convicted of the offense of driving under the influence of an intoxicant in this or any other State two (2) or more times within ten (10) years from the date of application and that none of such convictions has occurred within five (5) years from the date of application or renewal.
Shall not have been adjudicated as mental defective; has not been committed to or hospitalized in a mental institution; has not had a court appoint a conservator for the applicant by reason of a mental defect; has not been judicially determined to be disabled by reason of a mental illness, development disability or other mental incapacity; and has not, within seven (7) years from the date of application, been found by a court to pose an immediate substantial likelihood of serious harm, as defined in Title 33, Chapter 6, Part 5, because of mental illness;
Shall not be an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
Shall not have been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions (dishonorable discharge, bad conduct discharge or a dismissal; Chapter 1340-2-4-.02 (5);
Having been a citizen of the United States, applicants shall not have renounced their citizenship;
Shall not have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined in 18 U.S.C.A. 921 (33);
Shall not be receiving social security disability benefits by reason of alcohol dependence, drug dependence or mental disability;
Shall not have been convicted of the offense of stalking;
Ah, ok. You were privy to evidence that the rest of us were not. I didn't have the background info on the photo that you did. Thanks for the links. Now we all know that they are part of a gang. Absent that background info though, none of us could have known for sure, and would have just been judging a book by it's cover. With just the photo as our evidence, we couldn't have known for sure. Those guys could be a group of the most murderous thugs to ever have graced Tennessee, or they could have just been a bunch of choir boys dressing up and fooling around on a lazy Sunday afternoon.
in arizona, you can carry concealed IF you are a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN, without a permit in most places. the bold part being the key here, as if one has been convicted of a crime that would prevent one from carrying a firearm legally in the first place, they cannot carry concealed legally.
The problem is, how do you tell which ones are law abiding and which ones are not?
Are we supposed to just assume everything is hunky-dory? If so, on what basis?
The same way you can tell which cops are law abiding and which are not. Are we supposed to assume that just because it's a cop, everything is all hunky-dory? On what basis? Because they wear a badge?
not absurd at all, I carry 2 Glock 17's with 4 extra magazines, and a snub nose 44 special in a ankle holster.
if one firearm happens to break, I can draw with another if need be.
The obvious thing to do is ignore it because the chances are so low that they're a criminal, that you're just causing trouble for everyone! Just as you don't know if the car coming at you at 45mph in the next lane is driven by a drunk driver or a tired driver or has multiple DUI convictions! What is the anti-gun fascination with getting the police called on innocent people? You call us "ammosexuals" and "gun fetishists" maybe I should start calling y'all "violence fetishists" or "SWATosexuals" for your lust for such an event!
In Washington DC they are likely a criminal, as we don't have many people who can legally carry. They could also be off duty police. The police around here tell us, "If you see something, say something." Assuming the people is harmless is pure wishful thinking. If you call it in with a description of the person the police will arrive ask a few polite questions and if the person has a right to carry, they will wish him a good day. The store will also be given the chance to enforce any "no guns" policy they have. This is the response a responsible citizen takes.
So if we see a guy slip a gun into his waistband and head into the mall, we should assume that he's law-abiding and peaceable and is not a gang member, a hothead, a mental case, a thug, on drugs, a careless or untrained person, a terrorist, a robber, an extremist, etc.?
A what point are we authorized to defend ourselves, or at least ask for more information?
So if we see a guy slip a gun into his waistband and head into the mall, we should assume that he's law-abiding and peaceable and is not a gang member, a hothead, a mental case, a thug, on drugs, a careless or untrained person, a terrorist, a robber, an extremist, etc.?
A what point are we authorized to defend ourselves, or at least ask for more information?
Right, so we should all walk around naked with a card that reads our sexual proclivities, political views, and firearms permits.
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Just as you don't know if the car coming at you at 45mph in the next lane is driven by a drunk driver or a tired driver or has multiple DUI convictions! What is the anti-gun fascination with getting the police called on innocent people? You call us "ammosexuals" and "gun fetishists" maybe I should start calling y'all "violence fetishists" or "SWATosexuals" for your lust for such an event!
