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Old 01-27-2015, 08:16 AM
 
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What people miss, in particular non-Christians, about sin is the sin itself is not the issue. God teaches us to forgive. What Christians object to is the reveling in sin with no sign of repentance. Being a homosexual is not a sin. Being a practicing homosexual, that gets married and brings a child into this world in direct conflict with God's laws is a sin. Few churches or Christian school that adheres to Christian principles would allow a child of same sex parents into their schools.

Sorry we are not obliged to give up our faith and teachings so your feelings can be spared. Also try enrolling a child of same sex parents in an Islamic or traditional Islamic School and let us know how that works out.
This is why the example of divorced parents does not equate. You can screw up, get divorced, repent and move on. Married gay couples have committed their lives to what many churches considers a sin. Why should they accept someone into their church or school who blatantly disregards what the church believes? "We want to belong to your church, but I'm telling you right now you have some rules we're not ever going to follow."

That being said, I think Christ would accept anyone coming to him, even if they never had any intent to change how they live. That's the example all Christians should strive to follow. Christ never expressed or encouraged hatred towards anyone, but sadly too many people (usually the loudest voices) who profess to be Christians act very un-Christ-like and use the Bible to justify their pre-conceived bigotry. Their hate, masquerading as religious conviction, has tarnished what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

 
Old 01-27-2015, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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This is why the example of divorced parents does not equate. You can screw up, get divorced, repent and move on. Married gay couples have committed their lives to what many churches considers a sin. Why should they accept someone into their church or school who blatantly disregards what the church believes? "We want to belong to your church, but I'm telling you right now you have some rules we're not ever going to follow."

That being said, I think Christ would accept anyone coming to him, even if they never had any intent to change how they live. That's the example all Christians should strive to follow. Christ never expressed or encouraged hatred towards anyone, but sadly too many people (usually the loudest voices) who profess to be Christians act very un-Christ-like and use the Bible to justify their pre-conceived bigotry. Their hate, masquerading as religious conviction, has tarnished what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
The bolded is really the bottom line.

After all, Jesus said, “God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world,”6 and “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”7 So how do Christians justify this behavior? - See more at:

Why Are Christians So Judgmental?
 
Old 01-27-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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This is why the example of divorced parents does not equate. You can screw up, get divorced, repent and move on. Married gay couples have committed their lives to what many churches considers a sin. Why should they accept someone into their church or school who blatantly disregards what the church believes? "We want to belong to your church, but I'm telling you right now you have some rules we're not ever going to follow."

That being said, I think Christ would accept anyone coming to him, even if they never had any intent to change how they live. That's the example all Christians should strive to follow. Christ never expressed or encouraged hatred towards anyone, but sadly too many people (usually the loudest voices) who profess to be Christians act very un-Christ-like and use the Bible to justify their pre-conceived bigotry. Their hate, masquerading as religious conviction, has tarnished what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.
Wrong. Divorced and remarried people are living in adultery according to the bible. So every day they are still married they have committed their lives to a sin that Jesus himself spoke out about.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What Does the Bible Say About Sins Of The Father?



Deuteronomy 24:16

“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."

The school was punishing the child, not his parents. Not very Christ like, don't ya think?
Actually it would not be good for the child to go to this school. She would learn that her parents are living as an abomination and that would surely hurt the child more.. the sins of the parents do affect the children.. drug addicts, alcoholics and gays do have a negative effect on the children.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Actually it would not be good for the child to go to this school. She would learn that her parents are living as an abomination and that would surely hurt the child more.. the sins of the parents do affect the children.. drug addicts, alcoholics and gays do have a negative effect on the children.
No, bigots have a negative effect on the children of gays.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Actually it would not be good for the child to go to this school. She would learn that her parents are living as an abomination and that would surely hurt the child more.. the sins of the parents do affect the children.. drug addicts, alcoholics and gays do have a negative effect on the children.
I have always been told Christians affirm that at conversion God forgives all our sins- past, present and future, once and for all. This suggests we need not be as troubled over whether our loved one has asked for forgiveness for all their sins before the sudden death like suicide or accidents. Christian salvation is not dependent on whether a person was able to wipe the slate clean at the moment of death, but rather whether the person was walking in relationship with God in life.

Am I wrong about this?
 
Old 01-27-2015, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Allah probably wouldn't, God loves the children........funny, how man made the decision toward the child and God gets the blame.
Ummm..."Allah" is not a separate god from Yahweh, the God of the Bible. "Allah" is just a generic Arabic term for "god."

When Christians in Arab countries pray, they pray to allah. Allah is not a name for a specific deity.

In fact, Muslims, of course, worship the same god as Jews and Christians--the God of Abraham.

Muslims share the same creation myths and other sections of the OT with Jews and Christians.

This is part of the reason that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are referred to as "The Three Abrahamic Religions." They share the same roots. Without Judaism there would BE no Christianity OR Islam.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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What people miss, in particular non-Christians, about sin is the sin itself is not the issue. God teaches us to forgive. What Christians object to is the reveling in sin with no sign of repentance. Being a homosexual is not a sin. Being a practicing homosexual, that gets married and brings a child into this world in direct conflict with God's laws is a sin. Few churches or Christian school that adheres to Christian principles would allow a child of same sex parents into their schools.

Sorry we are not obliged to give up our faith and teachings so your feelings can be spared. Also try enrolling a child of same sex parents in an Islamic or traditional Islamic School and let us know how that works out.
Lots of people disagree. And seeing as the Bible provides no remedy for gays, what's your solution? The Bible tells you celibacy is a gift most people don't have and marrying the opposite sex would be bad too.

You would hate gays whether the Bible said anything about it or not. You just use God as your justification for your hate, which is why conservatives use gays as such a scapegoat. It's an easy target.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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Actually it would not be good for the child to go to this school. She would learn that her parents are living as an abomination and that would surely hurt the child more.. the sins of the parents do affect the children.. drug addicts, alcoholics and gays do have a negative effect on the children.
Hopefully the school doesn't serve shellfish or require uniforms in 2 different fabrics since both are an abomination too.

You guys truly do have an obsession with calling gays abominations. Ironic since the word doesn't exist in the original scripture. It wasn't added until the KJV falsely translated the Hebrew.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I am surprised that this school turned down the chance to brainwash another kid!
They could have given electro shock therapy to get the "gay" out of him.
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