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I wouldn't consider myself to be a modern, new age male but I do respect women as individual personalities and do not try to boss anyone around.
If you little proto thug pulled my little damsel's hair she would have the training to take him out but the restraint to only punish him appropriately. Violence is only appropriate, and the only appropriate, response to a bully. I learned this at a very early age. The alpha males in grade and high school learned not to push me around because when they did they got broken. I learned not to push anyone around. So long as they kept their distance I was quite satisfied. I also learned that respecting girls was appropriately rewarded. Usually by the women being abused by the alpha males.
The traditional bold American male is just another term for A**hole.
I just think it would be impossible to answer this question because I don't see how we could definitively define "male" and "female." I also don't think it matters one way or another.
I think the title mis-uses the word feminize. It pre-supposes that to be feminine one must be incompetent, unable to cope etc. At least thats what I am getting from the article.
I think society is becoming more aware of the reality that woman can be self sufficient, that we are NOT dumb, that we don't have to be dependent AND that some men are very good at talking a good line.
In the past they had women convinced we can stand on our own two feet, we have to have a man to lean on but the reality of it was, the men were leaning VERY heavily on the woman.
Women are becoming more liberated and this is leaving men wondering who pulled the rug from underneath them. How often have you heard a story about how a man is running around on his wife, doing whatever he likes the and the wife stays because she has no where to go, no money of her own, no career of her own, so she stays and puts up with it.
Well that doesn't have to be the case anymore. Women can kick a man out the front door for not behaving well, just as men have been able to do all along.
I personally have lived on my own now for 6 years, no man in my life other then my beloved cats and my lawn man. The thing I love about my lawn man is he does what I ask him to without any back talk or groaning, he does it with a smile and he goes home afterward. I don't have to deal with him at all afterward.
I am not saying that all women should abandon having a man in their life, not at all. I do however think that women are getting the idea that they can demand a higher level of behavior from men because its no longer a given that we women are going to just hang around and take what is dished out to us.
I own my own house, I will always have a place to go. No one will ever hold me over the barrel about having to put up with whatever behavior. Thats a strength that used to belong almost exclusively to men. In my experience, men have a hard time dealing with a woman as independent. They feel the need to feel NEEDED, like I can't get along without them. Thats just not reality and I wouldn't want a man that insecure.
I think the title mis-uses the word feminize. It pre-supposes that to be feminine one must be incompetent, unable to cope etc. At least thats what I am getting from the article.
You would be incorrect then as the title does not in any way denote that women are incompetent or unable to cope. Quite the contrary, women have coped with a great deal of change in typical gender roles over the course of the last century and most notably the last 40 years.
The term "racist" used to refer to a person who saw differences between races of people, today it is a person who not only sees differences between races but suggest that one is superior or inferior to another.
In the context in which I am trying to point out isn't whether one gender or another is superior or inferior as I think that is a ridiculous argument, but that there are in fact fundamental differences in gender and gender roles that have been obfuscated, blurred, and in some cases vanished all together.
Has this change in gender roles or the feminzation of men been responsible for a change in our societies structure, or is it the change in societal views that is responsible for what I do believe is a feminization of men in America? The classic chicken or the egg argument.
Has this change in gender roles or the feminzation of men been responsible for a change in our societies structure, or is it the change in societal views that is responsible for what I do believe is a feminization of men in America? The classic chicken or the egg argument.
That analysis leads to the inescapable conclusion that men have become chickens, though women have all the eggs.
Just for the record, I really don't condone the pulling of hair from either gender. But I guess my comments didn't meet the PC requirements and some people took offense, for that I am truly sorry.
This thread will be all over the place if we don't realize that there are as many definitions of "masculine" and "feminine" as there are people! There is no big black definite line that seperates these two words.
What really is "natural" , what is learned ?
However I would've thought we could agree that harming others is neither....it's just bad.
"""I will encourage him to pull girls' hair and eat bugs, and I won't put him on drugs for doing it. Why? It is just a part of growing up.""""
It should also be part of growing up to learn right from wrong...it's wrong to harm others.
The "boys -will-be-boys" bunk is what produces wife beaters.
But your son may get lucky and some girl who has her hair pulled will turn and punch his lghts out Now would that be "masculine" or "feminine"?
Pooping is part of growing up but if your kid did it in the neighbor's front yard you wouldn't curtail that ?
Punch his lights out ? Why not she has already tried to socially and chemically neuter him .
This is a good topic, but not sure is that relevant to influences of feminism. A passive and wishy washy male is just going to be that anyway (ir)regardless of society's changes. My bigger interest is the fate of the angry American male, who has not had his testosterone stripped, but feels like a duck out of water and confused as to how to act in today's world of the Angry Feminist. Some call them femi nazis.
This is a good topic, but not sure is that relevant to influences of feminism. A passive and wishy washy male is just going to be that anyway (ir)regardless of society's changes. My bigger interest is the fate of the angry American male, who has not had his testosterone stripped, but feels like a duck out of water and confused as to how to act in today's world of the Angry Feminist. Some call them femi nazis.
Would you care to rephrase that "testosterone stripping" reference?
Its juxtaposition with the "duck" metaphor made me quack briefly with alarm.
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