TNHill I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you on some BS. Your OP article was chiefly pointing out physiological changes in males. Your choice of title, your selective attention, and the 300+ blog entries were entirely fixated on sociological change... SHE did it!
I'm more than a little disappointed that not one response addressed physiological changes. I recall seeing some preliminary studies that soy (showing up regularly in processed foods here) was linked to premature puberty in females due to estrogen. The latest article debunks this, but who knows?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_n5994721/ Instead all bloggers and yourself used it as an opportunity to steer the world by resorting to traditional habits of
controlling women. How bizarre in a centuries old male dominated society people are still desperately trying to blame women for what men do! I hope you re-read this entire thread from different eyes, TN. The eyes of 3rd party narrative, your own creator watching human folly from afar.
The sad news, America, is that you
are not who you thought you were. Where are the rewards for males and for females? The geeks shall inherit the earth. I offer you Bill Gates as
Exhibit A of our civilization. Women are rewarded primarily for making a living on their backs, second place goes to career women, and motherhood is dead last = voluntary poverty in the world men made. Male suppression of 'natural instincts' came along with christianity insisting chastity, marriage, and feminine vow of poverty, so shall we blame the
mother church as the bane of masculinity?
More bad news gentlemen.
Exhibit B. The reason women see no point in being married has everything to do with how you treat them. How you treat them has everything to do with how you've defined (or more aptly stated, failed to define) yourselves as men. Manhood being dependant upon measures like dominance or oppression, (as juvenile males resort); it's simply not compatible with family life, child rearing, or even a healthy marriage. The days of Jimmy Stewart, as
Malamute brought up, exhaulted the roles of husband and fatherhood. The demise of traditional family structure has everything to do with males placing little to no value in fatherhood OR motherhood (it's all her fault!
).
Exhibit C... I offer you the classified ad personals in any town USA. What is it men are looking for vs what women are looking for statistically? Don't take my word for it, go and do your own math. Men want sex. Children are a nuisance byproduct in their pea brains. They care less about the character of a potential mate and more about measurements. Men do not want marriage save for personal gain or convenient comfort as a business arrangement. Roger is not interested in emotional depth or bonding. Rogers values have everything to do with what family life he eventually has, or fails to have, in his lifetime. Bachelors are rewarded most and through marvels of modern chemistry they can infinitely live out peter pan fantasies so long as the cash is handy and the condom doesn't break. Bill Maher. Need I say more?
Exhibit D. My closet has evening gowns and barn boots. I'm one of those accused of being a feminazi by
yeldaf, but rarely in real life. Ask yourselves why. Most men have difficulty comprehending my complexity, and reconciling it with their own crude definitions of what feminine/ masculine ought be. I am myself. Being myself does not change who you are, who you've failed to be, or rob you of worth in any way (except in the zero sum game in your minds). My 'Lilith' existence is far too threatening to
your marriage??
I'm too tall so I ought to walk in a ditch to satisfy your insecurities?
There is no war of the sexes, unless of course you insist on competing with women to garner self worth artificially. There's a stalemate of the sexes when politics, mores, stigmas, blah blah interfere with the basic tennants of human dignity. Any relationship, it doesn't matter context, agape, romantic, parental... when two human beings cannot keep the true worth of the other in their eye clearly, that relationship falters. Mutual respect... people do not respect what they do not value. Women
are undervalued. How long have men valued themselves based on how well they
undervalued women??
Seen from that perspective, you can comprehend the greater context of every argument that's transpired in this thread.
Vampgrrl was dead on with handmaiden. Even women beat down women trying to exist in a man made world of sick values. How many aunties are there in this thread? It isn't until men have been married for considerable lengths of time before they come close to realizing the true worth of their own wives. That's a mighty long work out for what she deserved from day one, is it not??
Is it beyond the realm of plausability in your minds that men are forever asking women to please
lie to them?? I'm not willing to dance backwards, lose at sports, play manipulative games, spend an hour coiffing appearance to attend my garden, or jump through any hoop to earn anyone's approval or acceptance. Appreciation, affection, and genuine love can only be cultivated and given freely, not earned or coerced. Men are either willing to give that or they aren't. They're either willing to walk that path, or they are not. When they're only willing to give their wallets that constitutes a business arrangement many women would rather not participate in, despite the favored fallback accusation that women are inherently gold diggers. Emotional impoverishment from male half of our america won't improve until they see the value of cultivation. The nail buffing silliness is just window dressing for an empty store.
Genuine relationships cannot be upheld from one side. I refuse to bring children into the world unless a man is willingly committed to fatherhood, but characters like
dunkel are far too willing to blame me for what men are unwilling to abide. I ought to trick them with feminine wiles? Force them to drop their porn addictions? I do not get to decide what men value. I honor their right to free will no matter how morally repugnant I find their weak egos. Not all men are actual men IMO, but you take a look around your locker room and answer that for yourself. Answer it as if you had a daughter or sister you had to mind.
Hard as it might be to believe, I adore men. I've worked exclusively with them for over 20yrs. I relate better to them than I ever have women. My best friends are male, and I've enjoyed the privilege of closest confidant most of my life. The deal breaker in any relationship has invariably been their inability to appreciate me without rearranging me, or their inability to love with an open hand (possession/ control). It's just too frightening to conceive that I'd choose to stay 100 yrs, thick or thin, without beast of burden yokes???
What bargaining chip does a man have left when a woman can't be lured by money, his promise of protection, what he can materially do for them or his sexual prowess? What else has he got? That 'else' he's got is the stuff of real men, not the false bravado that passes for manhood. That's the stuff I cherish most in men. That's not man bashing, it's recognizing something more than superficial BS. It's the capacity Dana Reeves had to see the man she loved clearly even when the rest of the world could not. How many men have that capacity? I'm not willing to be emotionally manipulated or wait for them to grow the hell up. I'm unwilling to live in the shallow end of the gene pool, and if society required you to
forever restrict your speech to 2nd grade vocabulary, you'd find yourself feeling resentful and annoyed after a while. Maybe even alienated in your own relationship.
The bar got raised and y'all want to devolve for your captain caveman binkie. No thanks, I'm having none. Who has the vested interest to believe
Lindsay, myself, and the growing #'s of women like us are cold hearted man bashing materialists? How else, save for boycotting sickness in free society, can women express that men defining themselves as a penis with a wallet is a profound emptiness & emotionally intolerable?
Cause/ effect of man bashing can alternatively be answered this way.
Quote:
"What is a man with character?"... A man that is smart enough to realize that what he takes from others he takes from himself and what he returns to others makes him whole.
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http://www.diamondcuttersintl.com/re...character.html
Note how many speak well of their happy marriages. Note the suspicious absence of power struggles. That cannot exist without mutual respect and appreciation. I applaud that accomplishment. It's a tremendous feat in this day and age, and the noise outside that's stacked against you... I hope it never poisons your ears or blinds you from the precious thing you've got with one another. Blessings. May love conquer all.
My vote went other. Suluk, I can only hope they buy a clue.