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Whether you consider yourself one or not is irrelevant. Your denial may allow you to sleep better at night and live a functional life but kid yourself not just about every American has committed a crime at some time in their adult life, misdemeanor or felony, knowingly.
Are you a habitual criminal? Doubtful but only you know the answer to that.
And your problem is that you don't know if President Clinton's behavior was criminal. He may be an adulterer who has lied about his sexual relations. That puts him in company with many, many, many, many, many American men. But it doesn't make him a criminal.
And the speeding allusion was poor. Because if every one of us who has ever speeded is a criminal, that means that most Americans who have ever driven are criminals.
And your problem is that you don't know if President Clinton's behavior was criminal. He may be an adulterer who has lied about his sexual relations. That puts him in company with many, many, many, many, many American men. But it doesn't make him a criminal.
And the speeding allusion was poor. Because if every one of us who has ever speeded is a criminal, that means that most Americans who have ever driven are criminals.
Its not my problem whatsoever. I guarantee Bill is criminal maybe not for this but for something in his life most likely tied to his political/government career.
It was a comparison not an allusion, FYI.
Most certainly you have committed other crimes knowingly or not.
Have you claimed absolutely every bit of income you ever made in your life on your taxes? Becareful before you answer that question.
Never taken office supplies or other property from your employer including time for personal use?
A president who was impeached for lying about sex with a young intern. A president who admitted he stuffed a cigar in her you know what. Sworn testimony, corroberated by law enforcement, about a young governor from Arkansas and other women. Other than that, nothing.
The allegations against Epstein are very serious. But there is no allegation of wrongdoing against Clinton in this matter. What you are doing is trying to claim that Clinton's character shows he was up to no good, but you simply have no evidence that he was up to no good.
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Originally Posted by Packard fan
Agreed IF the ladies involved were adults; if minors, then Clinton and the rest need to be locked up. Period.
First there has to be evidence that Clinton did something illegal. What we have at this point is Clinton on Epstein's private jet with Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, a woman, and a few other people. They were going from JFK to the Azores islands. He was apparently on the plane 10 other times, including one trip that Naomi Campbell was also on (London to New York).
There are actual allegations against Prince Andrew and Dershowitz. But there is no reason at this point to suspect Clinton any more than Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, and Naomi Campbell.
Rich and famous people sometimes share rides on private jets. If there were some evidence linking Clinton to illegal activity, he would be a much bigger target for the investigators and prosecutors looking into this than Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough
Seriously, this is a pathetic attempt to cover for your guy, Bill.
You should have read the article before responding with a ridiculous statement.
"Jeffrey Epstein's private jet with anonymous women"
How many PRIVATE jets have you flown on?
I know it might be a foreign concept to you but, generally when you are INVITED to fly on a private jet, I'd bet you are introduced to ALL the other passengers.
He probably did meet all of the passengers. That does not mean that he had sex with them, much less that he did anything illegal.
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Originally Posted by Mathguy
The manifests are viewable. Other than the crew, there were generally single-digits of people on board.
The typical manifest was a couple powerful men over 50 and a gal or two in her early 20s (give or take)
I'm not saying Clinton is guilty and maybe if he did get a little "secret service" it wasn't underage but with his track record the loyalists knee-jerk defending all this as just being epstein is scummy and laughable.
I'm guessing there will be no "blue dress" moment here but if there is, ooooooh boy the 2016 race just got wayyy more interesting.
And people like Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, Naomi Campbell, Chauntae Davies, Casey Wasserman, Ron Burkle. If he did something wrong, there are enough people caught up in this investigation--and enough people on the planes--that it would come to light.
I feel like to make an accusation like this, you need to know for sure.
Clinton definitely slept around. You can say that makes him a pervert, but to go so far to call him a pedophile or a supporter to sex slavery is... pushing it.
I'm not saying he DIDN'T do it, but any honest person can't say for sure that he did either. Simply being in the presence of a criminal does not make you a criminal as well. Without evidence to suggest that Clinton did anything illegal, you can't really act like he for sure did. Again, he may have been an unfaithful pervert, but that doesn't mean he would be ok with sex slaves.
Its not my problem whatsoever. I guarantee Bill is criminal maybe not for this but for something in his life most likely tied to his political/government career.
It was a comparison not an allusion, FYI.
Most certainly you have committed other crimes knowingly or not.
Have you claimed absolutely every bit of income you ever made in your life on your taxes? Becareful before you answer that question.
Never taken office supplies or other property from your employer including time for personal use?
YOU guarantee it. And YOU can offer such guarantees because....you are some all-knowing omnipotent being, maybe???
YES. I've claimed absolutely every bit of income I ever made in my life on my taxes.
NO, I've never taken office supplies, including time, without the knowledge and permission of my employer.
Someone writes down the names of " important people" but just first names for girls. Hmm.
From the link:
"In court filings, Roberts maintains that she never had sexual relations with Clinton - or knew of him taking an interest in any of Epstein's other 'massage' girls - though he was sometimes present on the banker's private Caribbean island during her years of work."
The accuser looks darn happy in the old picture that accompanies this story. Sounds like a young woman who enjoyed the financial benefits of pleasing old wealthy guys. The world is full of young women and old guys, like this.
The allegations against Epstein are very serious. But there is no allegation of wrongdoing against Clinton in this matter. What you are doing is trying to claim that Clinton's character shows he was up to no good, but you simply have no evidence that he was up to no good.
First there has to be evidence that Clinton did something illegal. What we have at this point is Clinton on Epstein's private jet with Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, a woman, and a few other people. They were going from JFK to the Azores islands. He was apparently on the plane 10 other times, including one trip that Naomi Campbell was also on (London to New York).
There are actual allegations against Prince Andrew and Dershowitz. But there is no reason at this point to suspect Clinton any more than Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, and Naomi Campbell.
Rich and famous people sometimes share rides on private jets. If there were some evidence linking Clinton to illegal activity, he would be a much bigger target for the investigators and prosecutors looking into this than Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.
He probably did meet all of the passengers. That does not mean that he had sex with them, much less that he did anything illegal.
And people like Chris Tucker, Kevin Spacey, Naomi Campbell, Chauntae Davies, Casey Wasserman, Ron Burkle. If he did something wrong, there are enough people caught up in this investigation--and enough people on the planes--that it would come to light.
Great even-handed post.
Let's face it, if this were George Bush or Obama I'd be giving them the extreme benefit of the doubt. Because it's Clinton, well.....you are totally right there are not allegations or proof he was involved but just being around it and taking so many trips with this guy and to his island....um....it does raise eyebrows.
Someone writes down the names of " important people" but just first names for girls. Hmm.
From the link:
"In court filings, Roberts maintains that she never had sexual relations with Clinton - or knew of him taking an interest in any of Epstein's other 'massage' girls - though he was sometimes present on the banker's private Caribbean island during her years of work."
The accuser looks darn happy in the old picture that accompanies this story. Sounds like a young woman who enjoyed the financial benefits of pleasing old wealthy guys. The world is full of young women and old guys, like this.
Jails are full of guys that had consensual relationships with younger gals.
I don't think anyone is shocked by Clinton's behavior now now days. Just remember what those women testified to when he was denying everything. The guy liked to expose himself when they rejected him.
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