Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-03-2015, 08:51 PM
 
9,891 posts, read 10,823,821 times
Reputation: 3108

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Texas has a new generation of conservatives who are fine with gay marriage, believe the government should not be able to ban a plant and is sick of sending blood and cash overseas. We are that balance of libertarian and conservative that will hopefully get firm control of the state and then begin exporting it throughout the country.
And that is a Bankrupt philosophy, that will split the Republican party and doom it to minority status. Christian Conservatives can and will embrace economic Libertarianism...but Libertarians cannot and will not embrace Social Conservatism or a Super Power foreign policy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-03-2015, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
31,767 posts, read 28,815,462 times
Reputation: 12341
Quote:
Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
A urban society, making laws that the rural communities must abide by, usually doesn't work.
And vice versa. Yet, in red states, that is how things transpire (opposite in blue states).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2015, 09:12 PM
 
7,846 posts, read 6,404,740 times
Reputation: 4025
Without oil it would be just like the other regressive hellholes.

Last edited by CaseyB; 02-04-2015 at 04:36 AM.. Reason: language
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2015, 09:28 PM
 
7,359 posts, read 5,462,865 times
Reputation: 3142
Quote:
Originally Posted by silas777 View Post
And that is a Bankrupt philosophy, that will split the Republican party and doom it to minority status. Christian Conservatives can and will embrace economic Libertarianism...but Libertarians cannot and will not embrace Social Conservatism or a Super Power foreign policy.
The liberal philosophy is also doomed to failure. It relies on pandering to disparate minority groups with separate interests in order to build voting coalitions to defeat the Republicans. The Democrats haven't won the average middle class American vote in decades. So as the minority groups grow, so does the power of the DNC. However, it is ultimately a self-defeating tactic because as the minority groups grow, they also become mainstream. Right now the liberals exploit false racism to pander to blacks, exploit false wars on women to gain the female vote, exploit immigration to gain the Hispanic vote, etc. What the DNC does not do is present solid broad based solutions to the problems of the average American. Once these minorities get to the point where their concerns start coinciding more with the mainstream white middle class, the Democrats' rhetoric will lose its power.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2015, 09:33 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
11,431 posts, read 19,000,893 times
Reputation: 5224
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
The liberal philosophy is also doomed to failure. It relies on pandering to disparate minority groups with separate interests in order to build voting coalitions to defeat the Republicans. The Democrats haven't won the average middle class American vote in decades. So as the minority groups grow, so does the power of the DNC. However, it is ultimately a self-defeating tactic because as the minority groups grow, they also become mainstream. Right now the liberals exploit false racism to pander to blacks, exploit false wars on women to gain the female vote, exploit immigration to gain the Hispanic vote, etc. What the DNC does not do is present solid broad based solutions to the problems of the average American. Once these minorities get to the point where their concerns start coinciding more with the mainstream white middle class, the Democrats' rhetoric will lose its power.
Wow. I actually find myself agreeing with you.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2015, 11:59 PM
 
7,359 posts, read 5,462,865 times
Reputation: 3142
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
seeing as Abortion would indeed have to do with their bodies, it would still make your argument flawed.

take your own advice and be intellectually honest.
Don't be pedantic. Every law in existence is telling you what you can do with your body. A law against fraud says you cannot use your vocal cords to use falsehood in order to bilk people out of their money, so therefore a law against fraud is "telling you what you can do with your body." It's useless to have a conversation with you if you're going to use asinine semantics like that.

It you aren't a total idiot then you know my point was that conservatives oppose abortion because it terminates a human life, not because they want to "tell you what you can do with your body."
Quote:
The GOP across the country have tried to do all those things. Most of those things dont make headlines unless people think they are going to pass, doesnt change the fact that they were proposed in State legislatures.
So offer proof that Republicans attempt to restrict the sale of those items more than Democrats do.
Quote:
Also, i dont put abortion in the same category as alcohol. Abortion is indeed wrong and should only be used in the worst cases( fetus that isnt going to make it to term, rape, incest....), but an intellectually honest person is also practical. When abortions were illegal, they still happened, all you are doing by making abortion harder for those who want it is creating a health hazard.
No, an intellectually honest person is not also practical. Look up what intellectually honest means. It has absolutely nothing to do with practicality. An intellectually honest person is one who refrains from using bias when conducting an analysis. Your attempt to make abortion about controlling women's bodies was an example of intellectual dishonesty because, as I demonstrated, it is a misrepresentation of my motivations.

Pro-life people in general believe that the intentional and unnecessary termination of human life is inherently wrong. To them, there is no difference between murder and abortion. Therefore, an intellectually honest argument against an abortion ban is one which seeks to prove that abortion is not equivalent to murder. An argument which states that laws against abortion are motivated by conservatives wanting to tell women what they can do with their bodies is dishonest. It is making up a strawman motivation and attributing to people who have clearly and repeatedly stated what their motivation truly is.
Quote:
The fact that you want to make it illegal just because you believe its wrong means you arent being as honest as you claim.
How about this: "the fact that you, dsjj, want to make theft illegal just because you believe it is wrong means you aren't being as honest as you claim."

So which is it? Are you an admitted liar, or do you want to make stealing legal? Given your statement about me, those are your only two options. If you aren't a liar and don't want theft to be legal, then that means you just applied a judgment on me that you aren't willing to apply to yourself. If you're an intellectually honest person, why would you do that?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2015, 12:02 PM
 
3,028 posts, read 5,084,282 times
Reputation: 1910
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
Don't be pedantic. Every law in existence is telling you what you can do with your body. A law against fraud says you cannot use your vocal cords to use falsehood in order to bilk people out of their money, so therefore a law against fraud is "telling you what you can do with your body." It's useless to have a conversation with you if you're going to use asinine semantics like that.

It you aren't a total idiot then you know my point was that conservatives oppose abortion because it terminates a human life, not because they want to "tell you what you can do with your body."

So offer proof that Republicans attempt to restrict the sale of those items more than Democrats do.

No, an intellectually honest person is not also practical. Look up what intellectually honest means. It has absolutely nothing to do with practicality. An intellectually honest person is one who refrains from using bias when conducting an analysis. Your attempt to make abortion about controlling women's bodies was an example of intellectual dishonesty because, as I demonstrated, it is a misrepresentation of my motivations.

Pro-life people in general believe that the intentional and unnecessary termination of human life is inherently wrong. To them, there is no difference between murder and abortion. Therefore, an intellectually honest argument against an abortion ban is one which seeks to prove that abortion is not equivalent to murder. An argument which states that laws against abortion are motivated by conservatives wanting to tell women what they can do with their bodies is dishonest. It is making up a strawman motivation and attributing to people who have clearly and repeatedly stated what their motivation truly is.

How about this: "the fact that you, dsjj, want to make theft illegal just because you believe it is wrong means you aren't being as honest as you claim."

So which is it? Are you an admitted liar, or do you want to make stealing legal? Given your statement about me, those are your only two options. If you aren't a liar and don't want theft to be legal, then that means you just applied a judgment on me that you aren't willing to apply to yourself. If you're an intellectually honest person, why would you do that?

I can't rep you again, so here goes, rep, rep, rep
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-04-2015, 08:51 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
11,431 posts, read 19,000,893 times
Reputation: 5224
Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Texas has a new generation of conservatives who are fine with gay marriage, believe the government should not be able to ban a plant and is sick of sending blood and cash overseas. We are that balance of libertarian and conservative that will hopefully get firm control of the state and then begin exporting it throughout the country.
I SURE do hope that's TRUE!!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2015, 05:21 PM
 
9,891 posts, read 10,823,821 times
Reputation: 3108
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkaos2 View Post
The liberal philosophy is also doomed to failure. It relies on pandering to disparate minority groups with separate interests in order to build voting coalitions to defeat the Republicans. The Democrats haven't won the average middle class American vote in decades. So as the minority groups grow, so does the power of the DNC. However, it is ultimately a self-defeating tactic because as the minority groups grow, they also become mainstream. Right now the liberals exploit false racism to pander to blacks, exploit false wars on women to gain the female vote, exploit immigration to gain the Hispanic vote, etc. What the DNC does not do is present solid broad based solutions to the problems of the average American. Once these minorities get to the point where their concerns start coinciding more with the mainstream white middle class, the Democrats' rhetoric will lose its power.
Yes , common knowledge.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2015, 09:09 PM
 
24 posts, read 31,932 times
Reputation: 35
It's mostly republican but Republicans have done such a crafty job with drawing districts up that it swings power even further in their direction. Most districts are a lock for one party or another so there's no room for moderates. It's whomever is the most loyal to the GOP base and campaign contributors that wins.

Look at Austin. Austin is a liberal area but the districts are drawn up so that there's no liberal Austin district surrounded by 4 conservative districts. Just 5 or 6 conservative districts that all have parts that gerrymander into Austin.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:31 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top