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Old 02-04-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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Why is it so hard to find a candidate who has a history of being a law abiding citizen? It seems every candidate has a criminal past.
When you overcriminalize American life and you make virtually all behaviors illegal, then you make everyone into a criminal.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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When you overcriminalize American life and you make virtually all behaviors illegal, then you make everyone into a criminal.
Exactly.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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When you overcriminalize American life and you make virtually all behaviors illegal, then you make everyone into a criminal.
Not true. Plenty of people have said no to committing crimes, including drug use. Only those who have no respect for laws will commit crimes. They pretend to be outraged by other people committing crimes, while admitting being (or having been) criminals themselves. It's hypocritical.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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Why is it so hard to find a candidate who has a history of being a law abiding citizen? It seems every candidate has a criminal past.
So you believe only teetotalers and goody two shoes should be allowed to hold office?

I wonder how that would work out ...
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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So you believe only teetotalers and goody two shoes should be allowed to hold office?

I wonder how that would work out ...
Teetotaler is a person who chooses to not drink alcohol. Since drinking is not a crime, it is irrelevant whether or not a candidate is a teetotaler.

Drug use is a crime, so anyone using drugs is a criminal.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Not true. Plenty of people have said no to committing crimes, including drug use. Only those who have no respect for laws will commit crimes. They pretend to be outraged by other people committing crimes, while admitting being (or having been) criminals themselves. It's hypocritical.


The average American commits three felonies every day. Saying "no" is not enough when every concievable human behavior under the sun is made illegal. The overcriminalization of American life diminishes respect for law and turns everyone into an outlaw. It also worsens racial and ethnic relations and creates Fergusons.

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You're (Probably) a Federal Criminal | Fox News
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The Overcriminalization of America - Charles G. Koch and Mark V. Holden - POLITICO Magazine
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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So you believe only teetotalers and goody two shoes should be allowed to hold office?

I wonder how that would work out ...
Maybe Finn Jarber wants mandatory celibacy for office holders, too?
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Why is it so hard to find a candidate who has a history of being a law abiding citizen? It seems every candidate has a criminal past.
We've been through this before, but I'll say it again, just because something is the law it doesn't make it a just or moral law. I think most of us can find something about our past that we're not proud of.

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There's a real big difference between smoking a few joints or bowls and being a stoner. One of my long ago girlfriends used to smoke a joint every evening when she came home from work. Was she a stoner?

Just as having a drink after work is not alcholism, having a joint regularly is not being a stoner.

Never mind the well over 50% of college students in the late sixties who may have smoked one or twice as an experiment were stoners.

Guess what. We are well past the tipping point. The majoritiy of people in this country have smoked dope at least once. Time to get over this marijuana witch hunt.
It's been long past time.

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When you overcriminalize American life and you make virtually all behaviors illegal, then you make everyone into a criminal.
Correct.

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Not true. Plenty of people have said no to committing crimes, including drug use. Only those who have no respect for laws will commit crimes. They pretend to be outraged by other people committing crimes, while admitting being (or having been) criminals themselves. It's hypocritical.
I have no respect for silly bull**** laws such as criminalizing someone for smoking a doobie! It is our duty as American citizens to protest and (disobey if necessary) ridiculous laws and work to change them!

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Teetotaler is a person who chooses to not drink alcohol. Since drinking is not a crime, it is irrelevant whether or not a candidate is a teetotaler.

Drug use is a crime, so anyone using drugs is a criminal.

Speeding is a crime. Therefore if you speed, you are a criminal. See what I did there? Anyway, I have a hard time justifying calling someone smoking a doobie a criminal. Especially if they haven't harmed anyone by doing so.
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Not true. Plenty of people have said no to committing crimes, including drug use. Only those who have no respect for laws will commit crimes. They pretend to be outraged by other people committing crimes, while admitting being (or having been) criminals themselves. It's hypocritical.
Some laws are so patently wrong, it begs the question… who's worse, the folks who break 'em, or the ones who blindly follow them?

The 22 most ridiculous US laws still in effect today.

Milgram's Obedience Experiments | The Perils of Obedience
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Old 02-04-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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It is getting really hard these days to find someone that have not had a hit
Is this so surprising? We are of an age where most of our political leaders grew up during the drug-fueled 60s and 70s.
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