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And how, pray tell, do we connect all 6 billion people on Earth with this unlimited potable water and edible food?
Did someone invent replicator technology so that even the nomad in the desert or the slumdog beggar can simply walk up to one, say the name of the food or drink they would like and it just appears?
Construct infrastructure to transport and store water. It's not that hard to put something in a container and move it. We do it all the time.
We have enough edible food. Every scientific study agrees with that (unless Monsanto paid for it). And if we can master the transportation of water and allow various places in the world to truly grown and develop on their own, we would have even more farmland and even more of an abundance all over the world. The solution to world hunger isn't complicated. We stop allowing corporate interests to exploit the worlds' resources and work on development of new technology that will bring fresh water and advanced agriculture to places all over the globe. The only reason we aren't doing it is the people who profit off of pillaging the world of it's riches buy politicians off to do their bidding.
This thread is dedicated to ending capitalism, but if you truly want to fix the issue, you end corporatism. Keep money out of politics. We can trust in a reasonably regulated free market that strives to advance humanities technological resources to do a better job of fixing the world's problems than governments with shortsighted goals.
If you accept the contention that our government is a subsidiary of commerce you will see that the major efforts at economic regulation in the 1930's to the 1970's were done at the behest of business. The financiers know, based on their ancestor's experiences in the 1850's through the 1920's that Free Market Capitalism is subject to huge swings in value mainly due to speculators artificially manipulating the markets. While this made mega fortunes for a few it devastated the majority of the financiers and businessmen using the markets to finance their businesses.
If we did not have a food give away system (this is why Food Stamps are a Dept. of AG. program) there would be a major surplus of food available and the market clearing prices would fall below production costs until the supply fell into line with demand. We increase demand to keep Big Ag farmers in business. The absurd Gasohol system is part of this demand control program.
The result is we do have a group, government and industry, controlled socialism to protect the existing mega industries (food, petroleum, coal and utilities) from their own successes. This keeps prices for the rest of us above the market clearing level but also assures that there will always be enough stuff produced to satisfy demand and smooth over the boom and bust economic cycles that plague unfettered capitalism.
This post is a small attempt to make you aware that our economy is socialist (group controlled) at the top and why this is done. The only place we have truly unfettered capitalism in this economy is in the criminal markets where the participants sell overpriced substances and services while literally killing each other over market dominance and monopoly.
The financiers know, based on their ancestor's experiences in the 1850's through the 1920's that Free Market Capitalism is subject to huge swings in value mainly due to speculators artificially manipulating the markets.
Free Markets don't have speculators.
Speculators aren't regulated in the US.
Worse than that, speculation is rewarded.
Even when not rewarded, speculators suffer no adverse consequences due to government regulations and tax polices.
A fantastic example is your Housing Market.
Ending tax-payer-backed-guaranteed mortgage insurance will end speculation.
For other Markets, so long as you the tax-payer and voter allow the government to permit the use of credit in speculation, then you get whatever you deserve.
And here in is the first astute post in the discussion. Human needs are the same. Human wants on the other hand are not.
The compensation is strictly about what you choose to do with your money after your needs are covered. Perhaps a guaranteed income is a viable option, no?
Remember, money is made up by the government.
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Originally Posted by TheDusty
I have significantly less need for insulin shots that some people do, so I think it's dishonest of you to say human needs are all the same.
as dusty indicated, human needs are NOT all the same. true everyone needs food and water, and some sort of shelter, as well as clothing. and then there are the medical needs, i for instance am diabetic and need insulin daily. i am also in end stage kidney disease and thus require dialysis three times per week, and i require a total of seven different medications daily.
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
capitalism is a backward, damaging, tyrannical, and enslaving master of humanity.
and communism isnt?
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Originally Posted by brownbagg
see, here where you not telling the truth, if you was any type of engineer, you would understand capitalism better , also there is not one word i posted that was political or had anything to do with political system
but anyway. lest get to the meat and potatoes, if you hate the capitalism system so much, what would you replace it with?
not necessarily. one can be well educated in their field, and still not understand the various political and economic disciplines.
An economic topic, but I'll see how this does here first.
I can no longer defend the theories of "capitalism." (Not that the U.S. subscribes to capitalism; it is a selectively socialist oligarchy)
The "free market" requires the economic principle of scarcity. The problem is that our most important resources (food, energy, and water) are not limited unless we artificially choose to limit their availability to populations.
Food: The organisms we consume are self-replicating. We have the farming technology to cultivate stable populations of our food. The energy needed to cultivate food is also renewable, as mentioned below.
Energy: We have 5 billion years of energy coming from that yellow ball in the sky. We also have renewable wind and hydroelectric power.
Water: Water simply changes state. There can be no water shortage, as we have the technology to purify it.
The scarcity LIES are brought to us by our governments, which have the unlimited ability to create their own fiat currencies. So.... why does this riddle even exist?
An economic topic, but I'll see how this does here first.
I can no longer defend the theories of "capitalism." (Not that the U.S. subscribes to capitalism; it is a selectively socialist oligarchy)
The "free market" requires the economic principle of scarcity. The problem is that our most important resources (food, energy, and water) are not limited unless we artificially choose to limit their availability to populations.
Food: The organisms we consume are self-replicating. We have the farming technology to cultivate stable populations of our food. The energy needed to cultivate food is also renewable, as mentioned below.
Energy: We have 5 billion years of energy coming from that yellow ball in the sky. We also have renewable wind and hydroelectric power.
Water: Water simply changes state. There can be no water shortage, as we have the technology to purify it.
The scarcity LIES are brought to us by our governments, which have the unlimited ability to create their own fiat currencies. So.... why does this riddle even exist?
We are as always limited by resources and productivity, not by money per se. Our Gov't could indeed create the money and then request that our people and businesses provide all the food, energy and water for all our population as they so desire at no direct cost.
But what might be necessary during all out war would be un-American during more typical times. There is simply too much conventional money to be made in these industries, along with all the power that money buys.
Ha Ha,
The funny thing is he never "defended" capitalism (at least since he frequents these forums). It is boredom that motivates him to invent all kind of bogus threads. Internet is heaven for these folks.
An economic topic, but I'll see how this does here first.
I can no longer defend the theories of "capitalism." (Not that the U.S. subscribes to capitalism; it is a selectively socialist oligarchy)
The "free market" requires the economic principle of scarcity. The problem is that our most important resources (food, energy, and water) are not limited unless we artificially choose to limit their availability to populations.
Food: The organisms we consume are self-replicating. We have the farming technology to cultivate stable populations of our food. The energy needed to cultivate food is also renewable, as mentioned below.
Energy: We have 5 billion years of energy coming from that yellow ball in the sky. We also have renewable wind and hydroelectric power.
Water: Water simply changes state. There can be no water shortage, as we have the technology to purify it.
The scarcity LIES are brought to us by our governments, which have the unlimited ability to create their own fiat currencies. So.... why does this riddle even exist?
YOU ADMIT NOTHING....why don't you be truthful
since you came on here, you have done nothing but blast at capitalism , and endorse far leftism
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"A Marxist/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
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"""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.""" Mussolini
sounds just like American far left liberals
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