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And why bring this up? It was 1000 years ago. Does he not know that there was Protestant Reformation 500 years ago that denounced those things?
Militant Islam is happening NOW.
To a great extent it is the leaders of the protestant reformation that rewrote history and put what was clearly a defensive action on the part of the west and the roman catholic church, and twisted it around and made it appear the the Christians were the aggressors. The protestants in their zeal to vilify everything catholic were only too happy to exaggerate and lie about the crusades. War is not pretty, innocents will and are being killed. We are at war.
Looks like he got this talking points like many of the lefties on this forum. What, do they mail this crap out to you people?
Dumbest clown we've ever had in the WH. Terrorist apologist, how the hell is he still in office?
Again, where is the apology? The blame on Christianity? The pass for ISIS?
Speaking of talking points, when you answer, do so based on the words he spoke, not the talking points that the Fox News Hate-Propaganda Machine gave you.
FWIW: I thought the speech was in poor taste too (at least the edited version we see clipped here), but that is a far cry from all the accusations made in this thread.
Weren't the first Crusades started in defense of Muslim brutality and occupation of Christian holy lands?
And wasn't it Muslims who were the first slave traders to the Americans?
"Weren't the first Crusades started in defense of Muslim brutality and occupation of Christian holy lands?"
The First real crusades were when Christians, then Muslims invaded the Holyland in the first place. Took the Jews 2000 years to recapture it. Those guys are persistant
"And wasn't it Muslims who were the first slave traders to the Americans"
Thats where the English, Europeans and finally, Americans learned it. Muslims were Enslaving Africans for over a thousand years at that time. Fortunately Slavery was defeated here. In the middle East and North Africa slavery is still active to this day, as it has been within Islam for 1500+ years.
He did not mention Muhammad once. Not once. Yet, he found it necessary to use the National Prayer Breakfast as a forum to recount terrible deeds done in the name of Christ. Meanwhile, he refuses to associate ISIL with Islam or Muhammad.
Nor did he associate the terrible deeds done by Christians with extremism.
The leader of Jordan said very recently that ISIS is not a Islamic organization at all.
00:02 The degree to which we've seen. Professions of faith. Used.
00:09 Both as an instrument of great good. But all vote twist
00:15 and misused. In the name will be. Used as wedge. Or
00:21 worse. Sometimes used as what. From school and pockets. The streets
00:30 of Paris. We have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those
00:35 who profess to stand up perfect. Perfect. Professed to stand up
00:41 for Islam and in fact are betraying him. We see ice.
00:48 Brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion. Here's
00:54 unspeakable acts of barbarism. Terrorizing religious minorities. Like. Israelis. Subjecting women
01:03 to rape as a weapon of war. And claiming. The mantle
01:09 of religious authority for such actions.
This entire thread is about people blaming Islam for the actions of ISIS. If you can honestly say that you spend any time on this forum, or in America, and don't find a lot of people who are threatened by Islam, then.... you can't "honestly" say that.
My point is exactly that. Stay on target. The Hitler reference absolutely applies more to those blaming Islam than it does to Obama or his supporters.
Most people that are threatened by Islam still understand that it isn't all, they just don't know how to necessarily tell who is who, which is aggravated by our lax security around who's in the country and some of the unconvincing statements made by moderates. A lot of people simply make the reference to Islam or Islamic terrorists assuming people can understand the point without have to insert the disclaimer into each sentence that you understand it's not all Muslims.... We know who we're talking about and the constant discussion about who we're not talking about takes us more off target than any effort toward the majority of Muslims, which again is not occurring. Even if we just called them terrorists, we would have to pause and say we understand that there have been terrorist acts committed by non-Muslims as well. At some point, the worry about defining terms is just inane and that point was some time ago.
Most people that are threatened by Islam still understand that it isn't all, they just don't know how to necessarily tell who is who, which is aggravated by our lax security around who's in the country and some of the unconvincing statements made by moderates. A lot of people simply make the reference to Islam or Islamic terrorists assuming people can understand the point without have to insert the disclaimer into each sentence that you understand it's not all Muslims.... We know who we're talking about and the constant discussion about who we're not talking about takes us more off target than any effort toward the majority of Muslims, which again is not occurring. Even if we just called them terrorists, we would have to pause and say we understand that there have been terrorist acts committed by non-Muslims as well. At some point, the worry about defining terms is just inane and that point was some time ago.
I agree with the first part of your post, but strongly disagree with the "we all know what we reeeeeallly mean" sentiment.
That is exactly how Nazi Germany got it's foothold.
Rather than spending time discussing who we are not talking about (I agree with you there), why not just say who we ARE talking about, which is ISIS.
Not confuse things by talking about Muslims when we mean ISIS.
Not confusing things by saying Obama is giving ISIS a pass, when he clearly isn't
Not confusing things by quoting speaches which were clearly edited to make a false point.
Not confusing things by arguing about every little point.
Most rational people know that most Muslims aren't terrorist, most Christians are not Klansmen, Most Liberals don't hate America, and Most Conservatives don't hate the poor. Most rational people understand that we all have similar goals, and VERY DIFFERENT ideas on how to get there.
So how 'bout we ALL STOP THE CRAP, and try to have a productive discussion.
A productive discussion on the topic of ISIS would start with how to deal with ISIS, and would not really start with a dissertation on why our Muslim President (who is not a Muslim) hates America (when he doesn't), and it wouldn't start with how he apologizes for, and approves of ISIS (when he clearly doesn't). It would start with what he said in WilliamSmyth's quoted text, and it would be focused on how we can single out the enemy (ISIS), without further alienating the huge group of people (Muslims) that they have been somewhat successful in associating themselves with.
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