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Old 02-11-2015, 01:57 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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I didn't get the correlation either.
It is not uncommon for defenders of bigotry to go off on tangents to distract attention away from repudiation of that bigotry when they realize they have no substantive defense for it. The reality is that people who want bigotry to prevail will make up whatever excuses they can dream of to rationalize their offensive perspective. They won't recognize society's obligation to rectify injustices suffered by people they don't like, and will cry about how society's efforts to reverse past injustice and prevent future injustice affects their own opportunities and privilege.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:02 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What state owns marriage? Again no one owns marriage. The government grants the rights to marriage with a license and collects the fees.
Government doesn't grant rights. It can only take them away. Look up what a right is then comment.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't think I fully understand, so I'm going to take a stab in the dark at what you're meaning.

The relation between AA and race discrimination is not logically applied the same way in this argument.

With AA, the government was forcing individuals to hire others on the basis of race.

Government is not forcing anybody to be married to their own sex as a % of the times they're married.
They are forcing businesses and individuals to accept/recognize same sex marriage.
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:12 AM
 
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The extreme measures right wingers want to go to just to avoid the legalization of gay marriage is absolutely hilarious.

Thumbs up to this thread for being funny.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:21 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The extreme measures right wingers want to go to just to avoid the legalization of gay marriage is absolutely hilarious.

Thumbs up to this thread for being funny.
The extreme measures left wingers want to go just to force the legalization of gay marriage on others is absolutely disgusting.

Thumbs up to this thread for showing who thinks they get to run others lives.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It is not uncommon for defenders of bigotry to go off on tangents to distract attention away from repudiation of that bigotry when they realize they have no substantive defense for it. The reality is that people who want bigotry to prevail will make up whatever excuses they can dream of to rationalize their offensive perspective. They won't recognize society's obligation to rectify injustices suffered by people they don't like, and will cry about how society's efforts to reverse past injustice and prevent future injustice affects their own opportunities and privilege.
What does government have to do with society? Society doesn't progress through force and coercion. At least not a humane society.
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why should there be marriage licenses to begin with? Because the right of marriage - like all rights exist by law. See Post at:
//www.city-data.com/forum/38093738-post172.html
then there should NOT be a '''license''' (a permission slip), and a fee


if its a ""RIGHT"", then you should not need permission and have to pay a fee to the government


by them requiring you to get permission and pay a fee(tax), they (the government) has said its NOT A RIGHT, but a privilege
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:40 AM
 
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It is not uncommon for defenders of bigotry to go off on tangents to distract attention away from repudiation of that bigotry when they realize they have no substantive defense for it.
That's true. You know this from personal experience, as this is exactly what you do on this forum on a regular basis whenever your garbage is called out for what it is. Instead of defending your positions with any reasoned argument, you insult the person who disagreed with you.
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The reality is that people who want bigotry to prevail will make up whatever excuses they can dream of to rationalize their offensive perspective.
Calling perspectives different from yours offensive is itself bigotry.
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They won't recognize society's obligation to rectify injustices suffered by people they don't like, and will cry about how society's efforts to reverse past injustice and prevent future injustice affects their own opportunities and privilege.
Of course they won't, because no such obligation exists anywhere but in your own mind. Society is a collection of individuals, and most individuals agree that we do not punish one person for the wrongdoing of another person. We do not expect a white student who works hard and earns an A to be denied entrance to a school in order to "reverse past injustice" by letting a black student who didn't work as hard and didn't earn an A to take the first student's place at the school. We don't expect a white employee to be denied a promotion at a job in order to "reverse past injustice" by giving that promotion to a less qualified black employee because 50 years ago the black employee's grandfather was forced to sit at the back of a bus. But you make up what you think society should do, and then you criticize and insult everyone around you who disagrees with your opinion. I've seen you do it over and over again. Whatever your position is on the law, on taxes, on constitutional rights, etc becomes the one and only moral position that anyone in the universe is allowed by you to have. You then claim that you are tolerant and open minded.

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Old 02-11-2015, 04:58 AM
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Location: Florida
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That's true. You know this from personal experience, as this is exactly what you do on this forum on a regular basis whenever your garbage is called out for what it is.
What ridiculously self-ratifying nonsense. It is time to grow up and stop defecating in every thread where someone holds the morally offensive perspectives you prefer up to scrutiny.

Try to defend your perspective on universally-recognized moral grounds, for once, if you can, instead of repeatedly stooping to childish games like this.

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Instead of defending your positions with any reasoned argument, you insult the person who disagreed with you.
You are projecting. I made a general statement about a class of people, a normal part of a discussion about a controversy. You posted a personal attack on a poster in the forum, a violation of the terms and conditions of use of this website.
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Old 02-11-2015, 05:48 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I don't think I fully understand, so I'm going to take a stab in the dark at what you're meaning.

The relation between AA and race discrimination is not logically applied the same way in this argument.

With AA, the government was forcing individuals to hire others on the basis of race.

Government is not forcing anybody to be married to their own sex as a % of the times they're married.


The basis of ONE race... Black Americans

Picking winners and losers.
There is no equal treatment by the government there.
That is the government feel good way to try and make everyone equal(no one is equal to another individual)
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