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1. Empowering the thousands upon thousands of young, educated, secular people who don't like their radical government and want to engage with the West, Israel, and others, as they used to decades ago.
2. If necessary, use airstrikes to target nuclear facilities.
Except option 2 will completely rule out option 1. Once your country is under attack, you don't go out calling for a change in government unless you want to be strung up from a lamppost. Nothing backs a sitting government more than an external attack.
And? They've done it. What's odd is how much time you spent blaming the Obama administration instead of wondering why the UN didn't enforce this better.
Be that as it may, it's outright hypocrisy for the UN to say Iran can't have nukes, but the US can even though neither has been especially peaceful in recent years. Or ever, really.
Nuclear weapons shouldn't exist at all, but so long as the US sits on an armada of war heads, I don't feel we have a right to expect Iran to not think it can have nukes.
They shouldn't bypass international law, though the law is unreasonably discriminatory, but they can technically invade whomever they like. We do it all the time. A lot of people want us to do it more. We can, but Iran can't?
And what world wide terrorisms are you referring to? What has Iran done?
We've been at war for as long as we've been a nation, even before then. As has Iran. Both have had pockets of peace. In fact, in the 1960 and 1950s, Iran was actually doing great. Better than great in fact. It would have been a decent place to live.
The mature action is recognizing our inability to solve this with military force and to stop pursuing that as an option. We've been over there for over a decade now. What have we accomplished? What reason should I, or anyone, have to think this time will be different?
When the Shah was in power back in the 60's people were starving in Iran while he lived in luxury.
There have been plenty of low information, clueless posters excusing away iran's illegal nuclear weapons program ("they are NOT building nukes, there is NO proof!" and the even less intelligent, "well if they are building them, they should be!") on this forum, and as the adults amongst us warned, allowing a cancerous scum hole terror state like iran to obtain nuclear weapons - which the awful obama and his equally dreadful sec'y of state seem committed to doing - has led to this, a general buildup of nuclear programs in the mideast.
Obama has severely damaged or destroyed relationships with allies like Israel, Germany, Egypt and Saudi Arabia - and his abject incompetence allowing iran to gobble up whole chunks of the mideast (Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Yemen) has led us to this horrible scenario; the most unstable region on earth undergoing almost perpetual wars accompanied by stockpiles of nuclear weapons.
If the human feces governing iran continues its imperial conquest across the mideast, does anyone rational believe that Egypt or the Saudis will not eventually militarily address them? How long before iran's diseased regime, realizing its end was near, would launch them into Cairo, Tel Aviv or Riyadh, killing millions? They have already slaughtered hundreds of thousands, so this would be a minor step forward for the animal filth khameini, a dog with oceans of blood on its hands.
In closing, I would just like to say "excellent work" to the idiot president, his apologists on this forum, as well as all of the dimwits here who have claimed that allowing iran to obtain nuclear weapons would not lead to a disastrous result in the mideast; you were absolutely wrong - and the rest of us saw this coming ten years ago.
Now we all get to live under the massive, horrific threat of a general nuclear war in the region.
Liberals will end up getting us all killed by their allegience to blind, irrational, emotional sentiment which guides thier poltical decisions.
Sometimes being contumacious is not clever, astute, or erudite. Sometimes such behavior is just plain stupid. This seems to be lost in the inner circles of liberalism, in which coterminus thought creates mass provincial stupidity, not "progressive" thoughts.
When the Shah was in power back in the 60's people were starving in Iran while he lived in luxury.
You have to pay your puppets with something. Iran's elected government talked about auditing the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil company back in 1953, and we couldn't have the Iranians getting all uppity about perhaps thinking they owned the oil they just happened to live on top of, could we?
So the US & UK engineered a coup, the Shah was flown in, and there'd be no talk of anyone not supplying the West with that sweet crude. Until of course it backfired with the 1979 revolution.
Iran is a mess, and it's very much a mess of the US/UK's own making.
I have read too many comments about the Middle East based on American bi-partisan politics. We as American's tend to feel exceptionalist amongst the nations and know what's best in another man's country. When we examine foreign affairs, especially the Middle East, we do not base our opinions solely on our political party's belief. This is called "Group Think" and I am more than tired of seeing this.
Democrats nor Republicans have the magical answer to solve or handle Middle Eastern issues. So why do we blindly follow what these American leaders have to say? This whole thing reminds me of sheep following the heard. If Jimmy Carter says Israel is committing apartheid, why do you have to agree, contrary to the evidence of Israel being a liberal democracy? If John McCain says the U.S needs to strike Iran now, are we ready to do so? Are we willing to accept the repercussions of this strike? We pick apart of ideology of these political parties but we all speak like sheep following the heard at the end of the day.
Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and has been for decades, against Jews, Sunni's, Americans, ect. If you want to blame a thousand year conflict on an American policy 20 years ago, that's fine. Iran is in violation of International Law for not exposing its nuclear program in full transparency. Western intelligence has declared it has evidence they that can go for a bomb with a month if they ever chose to do so. Iran has taken two naval sea passages now and is continuing is hegemonic goals of becoming the Persian Empire. This corrupts U.S interests and will create even more violence in the region. Ignoring the problem will hurt America in the long run.
U.S political opinion has no validity in Islamic ideology. We must observe these events with a trained and moderate eye, and not because your favorite senator (who lies to you anyway) pretends he has the answers.
I wouldn't blame the chaos in the Middle East On Bush. He corrupted Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the decomposition of Iraq we see today occurred because Saddam's authoritarian power is no longer there. It should be noted that Saddam is responsible for murdering millions of his own people ( Yes, Millions), as well as violating human rights of its own citizens. Bashar Al-Assad is no better than the FSA or ISIS, and really any of this dictatorships. This conflict has been going on for thousands of years, in which secretarial loyalty still prevails, and nationalism is still a foreign concept. Bush and Obama have made mistakes in the Middle East, but quit honestly, their is nothing the United States could truly do right. Other than in my opinion, support the only liberal democracy in the region.
First of all, don't put Obama anywhere in the same reference with Bush. Obama has handled the Middle East in the way the MAJORITY of Americans wanted. He is not responsible for us leaving Iraq either. They told us to get out. We did not have the support among the Iraqi people, thanks to Bush, Cheney, and Blackwater, whom the Iraqis considered a part of the American Army. Murdering thugs whom the Iraqis finally banned and threw out of Iraq.
You can blame most of it on him and his Regime. We sealed our fate when we supported Saddam with weapons and Nerve Gas to kill Iranians, and some way, Americans think they where stupid enough not to know that. Iran already knew we helped kill thousands of their people. Then Bush invades Iraq, showing them that this can happen to them, so they go after building a Nuke. They do exactly what anyone else would do, seeing that they could be the next Invasion. The US forced their hand, with Bush at the helm.
Bush added to the hate and distrust the Middle East had toward the West, by showing them that we did not respect any International Laws, did not respect the Geneva Convention, and that we would and did kidnap, torture, ridicule their religion, and kill civilians at the drop of a hat. We lost what support we had when we toppled Saddams Statue and put the American flag on top of it, not the Iraqi flag. At that point we lost credibility as those who came to set the people free from Dictatorship, and we became just another Occupiers in their History. .
Its always funny to see how many folks think we are the chosen "Divine Keepers" of Nuclear Weapons, since we are the only ones qualified to have them, even if we are the only Country in History that has used them against a civilian population, not just once, but twice. Great track record for some one who is trying to say they are the only ones responsible enough to have them. We do not rule the World, regardless of what the Right Wing nuts think. Democracy is not for everyone. Exporting Democracy kills Americans.
Meh. Let them. Nukes are expensive to develop, store, maintain and train to use. Let them wizz their 3rd world economy down the toilet. If they use them against us, well, we can also produce glass on a large scale.
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