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In many threads we have seen time and time again calls for the IRS to be abolished with or without the 16th ammendment because they aren't needed. However it will NOT happen. We may have a reduction in how many IRS agents we have but we won't see an outright end to the IRS. Why is this, because unless we get rid of taxes altogether whether it is income, flat, fair, captial gains or corporate, we will need a (tax) revenue collecting and auditing agency. Under the fair tax proposal, the IRS would shift to businesses rather than the general tax payer to make sure they submit tax revenue to the government. Under the fair tax, the IRS would need to make sure that the money sent or sent back is exactly the tax rate. We all know the current tax system where the IRS will check tax credits you claimed so that is redundant.
The point is, it is asanine to think the IRS could be abolished without abolishing all taxes. Instead, we should look to cut the size of the IRS, if we do anything.
very well said mkpunk. you are absolutely right. in fact unless a real government reformer comes into office, with the support of the people in a big way, there are a lot of departments that wont be going anywhere.
In many threads we have seen time and time again calls for the IRS to be abolished with or without the 16th ammendment because they aren't needed. However it will NOT happen. We may have a reduction in how many IRS agents we have but we won't see an outright end to the IRS. Why is this, because unless we get rid of taxes altogether whether it is income, flat, fair, captial gains or corporate, we will need a (tax) revenue collecting and auditing agency. Under the fair tax proposal, the IRS would shift to businesses rather than the general tax payer to make sure they submit tax revenue to the government. Under the fair tax, the IRS would need to make sure that the money sent or sent back is exactly the tax rate. We all know the current tax system where the IRS will check tax credits you claimed so that is redundant.
The point is, it is asanine to think the IRS could be abolished without abolishing all taxes. Instead, we should look to cut the size of the IRS, if we do anything.
And its a wet dream of some folks that has ZERO chance of ever being implemented.
Might as well discuss the healing properties of unicorn horns.
As diehard libertarian, I have to agree.
Nobody ever surrendered power voluntarily, especially not the kind of power the IRS enjoys. It's a weapon for all 3 branches of the government, it exists outside the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, and enjoys power so far above and beyond the law that there's no possible way we'd ever see it gone without totally dismantling the government a la another Revolution, as in the kind with guns, militia, storming Bastilles, Cornwallis surrendering at Yorktown, the Czar and family being killed/exiled, etc. Like, real, serious, we're not freaking kidding revolt where a lot of the politically powerful get "punished" by angry mobs.
And its a wet dream of some folks that has ZERO chance of ever being implemented.
Might as well discuss the healing properties of unicorn horns.
This is exactly the problem. Anytime the FairTax proposal comes up, the big benefit they push it's that the IRS would be abolished as an effect of its passing. If it is, how do we insure the stores, restaurants and other service providers you go to hand your taxes over that were in the purchase price. There would still need to be agents and auditors to make sure companies do pay and pay 23% of every dollar. To a lesser extent the Flat Tax is used to remove the FBI but as I mentioned they would need to check that you didn't under pay or over pay.
As for how many people actually get audited per year, apparently under $500,000 people get audited at worst 5 out of 100 tax filings with the most being claiming no income whatsoever. For some reason, it spikes with the rich. Most people end up not getting audited at all though. What Are the Odds of Being Audited by the IRS? | Nolo.com
Nobody ever surrendered power voluntarily, especially not the kind of power the IRS enjoys. It's a weapon for all 3 branches of the government, it exists outside the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, and enjoys power so far above and beyond the law that there's no possible way we'd ever see it gone without totally dismantling the government a la another Revolution, as in the kind with guns, militia, storming Bastilles, Cornwallis surrendering at Yorktown, the Czar and family being killed/exiled, etc. Like, real, serious, we're not freaking kidding revolt where a lot of the politically powerful get "punished" by angry mobs.
That's the only way the IRS would go anywhere.
If anything it's an elastic clause of the 16th amendment which being it is an amendment of the constitution, it would be suspect to the elastic clause.
I would suggest looking at the link in my above reply and see how many people actually do get audited per year. Most are the rich who end up trying to use deductions and credits the wrong way, creative accounting, off-shore accounts, etc.
The other thing is without tax revenue generation, how would government run? It wouldn't unless it would run on a permanent deficit and racking up debt upon debt upon debt. Well unless you want anarchy.
Ps: I don't, too many people break rules as it is right now with there being law and government.
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