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Old 02-11-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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Great Op-Ed

Still Right on the Black Family After All These Years - WSJ
Will liberals ever forgive Daniel Patrick Moynihan for being right?

Next month marks the 50th anniversary of the future senator’s report on the black family, the controversial document issued while he served as an assistant secretary in President Lyndon Johnson’s Labor Department. Moynihan highlighted troubling cultural trends among inner-city blacks, with a special focus on the increasing number of fatherless homes.

The Moynihan report was an attempt to have an honest conversation about family breakdown and black pathology, one that most liberals still refuse to join. Faulting ghetto culture for ghetto outcomes remains largely taboo among those who have turned bad behavior into a symbol of racial authenticity.

One important lesson of the past half-century is that counterproductive cultural traits can hurt a group more than political clout can help it. Moynihan was right about that, too.
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Old 02-11-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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I would suggest that readers read the actual report (the second link in the OP's paragraph). Interesting reading. I cannot access the first link (I am not a subscriber).

From my reading thus far (I cannot finish at this time due to my work break being about over), I don't see where 'liberals' need to 'forgive' Senator Moynihan about anything. After all, he is writing about the many reasons (back in the mid 1960s) for the plight of poverty-level black Americans, which he noted began, well, hundreds of years ago.

Anyway, interesting reading thus far.
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Old 02-11-2015, 12:48 PM
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Great Op-Ed

Still Right on the Black Family After All These Years - WSJ
Will liberals ever forgive Daniel Patrick Moynihan for being right?

Next month marks the 50th anniversary of the future senator’s report on the black family, the controversial document issued while he served as an assistant secretary in President Lyndon Johnson’s Labor Department. Moynihan highlighted troubling cultural trends among inner-city blacks, with a special focus on the increasing number of fatherless homes.

The Moynihan report was an attempt to have an honest conversation about family breakdown and black pathology, one that most liberals still refuse to join. Faulting ghetto culture for ghetto outcomes remains largely taboo among those who have turned bad behavior into a symbol of racial authenticity.

One important lesson of the past half-century is that counterproductive cultural traits can hurt a group more than political clout can help it. Moynihan was right about that, too.
That report does far more than talk about cultural problems, it focuses more on the racial disparities between races and the fact that his research showed that many whites still held racist tendencies and in so hiring practices either needed to be monitored or standardized.
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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That report does far more than talk about cultural problems, it focuses more on the racial disparities between races and the fact that his research showed that many whites still held racist tendencies and in so hiring practices either needed to be monitored or standardized.
Ummm...That's not the part of the report the OP wants you to read.

Ignore that part.
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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That report does far more than talk about cultural problems, it focuses more on the racial disparities between races and the fact that his research showed that many whites still held racist tendencies and in so hiring practices either needed to be monitored or standardized.
More specifically, he wrote in 1965 " the racism virus in the American Bloodstream still affects us".

He goes on to compare and contrast American slavory with other countries. It was the American system of slavory that separated and sold family members independent of each other which was not ( reportedly) the case elsewhere

It's curious that those who blame the breakdown of the Negro Family on welfare that favored single mother households ignore the rest of the document which goes into detail about how the deck has been stacked against the Negro man, in the US, all along.
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Ummm...That's not the part of the report the OP wants you to read.

Ignore that part.
BWAHAHAHHA.

I see that sort of thing a lot.
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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Ummm...That's not the part of the report the OP wants you to read.

Ignore that part.
If I really didn't want people to bother reading Moynihan's report I wouldn't have posted a link directly to it.

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I would suggest that readers read the actual report (the second link in the OP's paragraph). Interesting reading. I cannot access the first link (I am not a subscriber).
You can read locked WSJ articles on Google Chrome.

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Old 02-11-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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If I really didn't want people to bother reading Moynihan's report I wouldn't have posted a link directly to it.
I guess the burning question is: did you read it? If so, what arguments made by the late Senator Moynihan do you believe that liberals will never forgive him for uttering?
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Why would I need to forgive someone that has done nothing to me?
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Old 02-11-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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If I really didn't want people to bother reading Moynihan's report I wouldn't have posted a link directly to it.


You can read locked WSJ articles on Google Chrome.
You didn't read it...And even if you had, you surely didn't create this thread to talk about THAT PART of the report. No way.

And you know I'm right.
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