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Old 02-12-2015, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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~1.29 billion people live on less than $1.25 a day, 3 billion on less than $2.50 a day
In 2005, the wealthiest 20% of the world’s population accounted for 76.6% of total private consumption while the poorest fifth accounted for 1.5%
The average life expectancy at birth in Sub-Saharan Africa is 54; it’s 79 in the developed world
~ 850 million people suffer from chronic malnutrition
~ 22,000 children die each day due to poverty and its effects
~ 1.1 billion people have inadequate access to water
~ 2.6 billion people lack basic sanitation
~ 1.6 billion people have no access to electricity at home

We have it SOOO bad! What bothers me is that American Conservatism is nativist and xenophobic - it concerns not the troubles of those beyond our completely arbitrary borders and classifies humanity by nationality and race, picking those who happen to be born in the US first and picking the majorities first.

Honestly, American conservatism sickens me. No care for life after birth, only in the womb. Let the poor Africans die, it's their fault! (It's not, by the by). Government is bad, even though it provides security, infrastructure, currency, police, R&D, pensions, clean drinking water, food, housing...

Government can be good or bad and it has little to do with the 'size' of it (which to this day I find a silly concept - many in the GOP don't want smaller government, they want an equally big if not bigger government only they are Confederalists).

Government's worth is a result of it's goals and treatment/representation of citizens. If it uses taxes to provide affordable electricity and build electrical grids (which are INSANELY expensive, enough so that virtually no private energy companies can afford to build them without government assistance), if it uses it to produce clean drinking water piped into the home (it is a pain to boil water and drink it hot...), if it provides police and fire protection, if it provides you with roads to drive on and laws that ensure everyone stops at a red light and drives on the same side of the road, if it provides education to everyone... then it is doing well. For the private sector provides not these things - there is too little profit, if any, and the initial capital costs are too high.

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Old 02-12-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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You are the typical Socialist , Big Government Liberal group think drone. I can't stand your Liberal nonsense. You must be a career bureaucrat living off our tax money, thats is why you love Big Gubmint so much. You guys like to redistribute wealth, as long as it is somebody else's money. Enough!
 
Old 02-12-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Originally Posted by Repubocrat View Post
You are the typical Socialist , Big Government Liberal group think drone. I can't stand your Liberal nonsense. You must be a career bureaucrat living off our tax money, thats is why you love Big Gubmint so much. You guys like to redistribute wealth, as long as it is somebody else's money. Enough!
Dude- have you ever actually met a Liberal?

I'm a Liberal. I was a mechanic for well over a decade. Worked my way through college. Now I'm working my way up in a fortune 500 company- doing highly technical work on products that cost more money than I'll see in a lifetime. I've never been on unemployment, welfare, or anything remotely like that.

By contrast, I know Republicans (Tea Partiers at that) who have built their entire CAREER on public schools, social security, farm subsidies, etc.

Please find information sources other than Talk Radio and FauxNews.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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By the way, I personally know quite a few liberals. Every single one is educated and gainfully employed. I can NOT say even remotely the same thing about all the conservatives I know.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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By the way, I personally know quite a few liberals. Every single one is educated and gainfully employed. I can NOT say even remotely the same thing about all the conservatives I know.
I've known several well-educated and very intelligent conservatives, but not many. As a political scientist finishing a PhD I know those in the field well - political science is dominated by what Americans refer to as liberals (only about 10% of professors in social sciences generally are conservative). Those conservatives that I know who are educated and intelligent are more than capable of justifying their views, but they abide by different standards, they place economic efficiency followed by negative liberty as the primary concerns and take a purely statist approach to governance. Liberals, more varied in temperament and ideology, take different sides in different debates but generally do try to concern themselves with the world outside our borders (even thinking non-Americans might actually be... human!) and address the essential problems of the poor and lower- to mid-middle class (healthcare, education).

I don't disparage all conservatives; I've known a few who can argue their case well and ultimately they and I agree that we disagree at a fundamental ontological and possibly metaphysical level rendering us incapable of compromise or agreement.

But, to be fair, some conservatives still concern themselves with the poor. Some are articulate and can espouse convincing arguments against government interference in particular areas - and we need that. But we don't need a mass of young, disenchanted and newly-minted libertarians trying to circumvent the current system to realize their goals.

I respect my educated conservative friends, and we have good conversations - ultimately though we find ourselves in metaphysics - with a recognition that each of us has a very different set of ethical principles which we use to ground ourselves in this world.

Personally, of course, I believe my style of liberalism is the future and conservatism is becoming so reactionary that it is becoming hard to take seriously.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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Originally Posted by Repubocrat View Post
You are the typical Socialist , Big Government Liberal group think drone. I can't stand your Liberal nonsense. You must be a career bureaucrat living off our tax money, thats is why you love Big Gubmint so much. You guys like to redistribute wealth, as long as it is somebody else's money. Enough!
Oh, and just to reiterate independently, it isn't 'somebody else's money' - you pay to be a citizen through taxation and you pay with a currency MINTED by the GOVERNMENT. If you'd like to start paying to use every road using sheepskins and used clothing then yay, let's do it! If not, recognize that every aspect of your nice, sweet life is a result of the government you hate. Without it we'd be Somalia, the DRC, the CAR. Ignorance of countries beyond our borders is perhaps our greatest fault...
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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I knew it! I can recognize a career bureaucrat by the way they talk. You guys in academia are Marxists that teach people about how they are supposed to live their lives but most of you never had a job in your lives.

Back when I was attending the School of Engineering at Iowa State University, I stood up to a lot of you Marxist professors, I was threatened by some of them but thank God, I can think for myself and never allowed myself to be brainwashed by their nonsense.

Can't say the same about all these mindless young kids that would probably polish your apple and be enthrilled with your propaganda.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:20 PM
 
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Oh, and just to reiterate independently, it isn't 'somebody else's money' - you pay to be a citizen through taxation and you pay with a currency MINTED by the GOVERNMENT. If you'd like to start paying to use every road using sheepskins and used clothing then yay, let's do it! If not, recognize that every aspect of your nice, sweet life is a result of the government you hate. Without it we'd be Somalia, the DRC, the CAR. Ignorance of countries beyond our borders is perhaps our greatest fault...
Few if any governments mint money. Money, more specifically fiat money, is created out of thin air from debt via a private central banking system. You want to rail against peoples beliefs, but what you really should be railing against is the world banking system and the fact that it is what is responsible for most of the ills you're all upset about.

It isn't "conservatives" or an ideology, it's our enslavement system - the banking system of the world. You're just falling for the shell game by blaming conservatives.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:24 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Okay, I'm pretty liberal ... but nations have borders for a reason. We cannot even begin to play host to all of the worlds cultures. That is just impossible. We need to worry about our own before we worry about others, that's why we have "arbitrary borders". Mexico is a crap hole of a country ... you wanna annex it? You're gonna annex a ton of poverty and problems, and you're gonna have integration issues.

I'm sorry but you lost me way too early into reading this.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Okay, I'm pretty liberal ... but nations have borders for a reason. We cannot even begin to play host to all of the worlds cultures. That is just impossible. We need to worry about our own before we worry about others, that's why we have "arbitrary borders". Mexico is a crap hole of a country ... you wanna annex it? You're gonna annex a ton of poverty and problems, and you're gonna have integration issues.

I'm sorry but you lost me way too early into reading this.
Liberals like this Marxist academic believe that worrying about our own first is being selfish. They don't even believe in American exceptionalism. Saying God bless America is wrong in their eyes, they are all about political correctness, so it should be "God bless the entire world."

I have debated so many of these Marxist, Big Government, Liberal group think drones, they are master regurgitators but most have very little substance.
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