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Old 02-15-2015, 02:50 AM
 
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I constantly hear people talking about the constitution as if it was "America's Bible"
I have a question... Is slavery constitutional?
(and I'm aware of the 13th ammendment.... which is not in the constitution)

I ask this because I was reading the constitution and found this paragraph

Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3 (Fugitive Slave Clause)
"No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."
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Old 02-15-2015, 02:51 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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The 13th amendment cancelled that clause dealing with slavery. All amendments "amend" the constitution, changing any conflicts made before it.

Last edited by Mwahfromtheheart; 02-15-2015 at 02:54 AM.. Reason: Better clarification
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Old 02-15-2015, 05:11 AM
 
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When passed the constitution only applied to white males
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Old 02-15-2015, 05:23 AM
 
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I constantly hear people talking about the constitution as if it was "America's Bible"
I have a question... Is slavery constitutional?
(and I'm aware of the 13th ammendment.... which is not in the constitution)

I ask this because I was reading the constitution and found this paragraph

Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3 (Fugitive Slave Clause)
"No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."
The short answer is yes.

The long answer is explained here:

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It has been said that the seeds of the Civil War, which was fought, despite revisionist theory to the contrary, over the issue of slavery, were sown in the compromises of the Constitution on the issue.
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... Despite the freedoms demanded in the Declaration and the freedoms reserved in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, slavery was not only tolerated in the Constitution, but it was codified.

The Constitution has often been called a living tribute to the art of compromise. In the slavery question, this can be seen most clearly. The Convention had representatives from every corner of the United States, including, of course, the South, where slavery was most pronounced. Slavery, in fact, was the backbone of the primary industry of the South, and it was accepted as a given that agriculture in the South without slave labor was not possible. Though slaves were not cheap by any measure, they were cheaper than hiring someone to do the same work. The cultivation of rice, cotton, and tobacco required slaves to work the fields from dawn to dusk. If the nation did not guarantee the continuation of slavery to the South, it was questioned whether they would form their own nation.
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In Article 1, Section 9, Congress is limited, expressly, from prohibiting the "Importation" of slaves, before 1808. The slave trade was a bone of contention for many, with some who supported slavery abhorring the slave trade. The 1808 date, a compromise of 20 years, allowed the slave trade to continue, but placed a date-certain on its survival. Congress eventually passed a law outlawing the slave trade that became effective on January 1, 1808.
Constitutional Topic: Slavery - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
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Old 02-15-2015, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Dopo View Post
I constantly hear people talking about the constitution as if it was "America's Bible"
I have a question... Is slavery constitutional?
(and I'm aware of the 13th ammendment.... which is not in the constitution)

I ask this because I was reading the constitution and found this paragraph

Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3 (Fugitive Slave Clause)
"No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."


You're not from the United States, are you?
We all learned this in elementary school.


You have to amend the Constitution. The very wording of the constitution that is amended, is left intact to show where we have come from.
Alcohol Prohibition is still there as an amendment, with another amendment cancelling it.

No amendments have ever effected the bill of rights, nor ever intended to.
The 2nd amendment has wording to the effect, it can never be amended.
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Old 02-15-2015, 05:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This is the reason the USA is changing into the socialist states these people came from.
They come here, looking for freedom, and it is way to scary for their liking. So, instead of going back to where they come from, they ruin our experiment in freedom & liberty (for all, not just the chosen).
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Old 02-15-2015, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Slavery was Constitutional but after the 13th Amendment no longer is.

Making slavery (owning another human as if they were a piece of machinery) illegal devastated the south by eliminating the value of the slaves. this destroyed a huge amount of southern Capital and effectively prevented them from funding their secession with loans.

IMHO Slavery, along with laws controlling what an individual can do with their bodies, who they may marry and what drugs they may use or abuse are abominations and have no place in a free society.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Slavery was Constitutional but after the 13th Amendment no longer is.

Making slavery (owning another human as if they were a piece of machinery) illegal devastated the south by eliminating the value of the slaves. this destroyed a huge amount of southern Capital and effectively prevented them from funding their secession with loans.

IMHO Slavery, along with laws controlling what an individual can do with their bodies, who they may marry and what drugs they may use or abuse are abominations and have no place in a free society.

You may not know it, but the government owns you, in todays America.
You work to pay off the debts the government creates. There is no way to get out of slavery if you provide for your family today, by making an income.
To be free today, you must barter for everything, or you will be forced to pay the debt, the government creates.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:15 AM
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Location: Florida
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No amendments have ever effected the bill of rights, nor ever intended to.
False. No amendments have ever revoked any of the Bill of Rights. Subsequent amendments surely have effected those earlier amendments. Not only that, but you know that, and know specifically which ones. I know this because you've repeatedly refused to admit falsehoods you've posted in that regard when you've posted them in past threads.

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The 2nd amendment has wording to the effect, it can never be amended.
Except by amendment revoking that wording. Even if that makes you mad.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Today you will work ¼-½ of the year in slavery to your government.
The only way around it, is to not work, or work for something the government cannot take away from you.
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