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Old 02-23-2015, 10:59 AM
 
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When did $15/hr become a "high wage?"

when labor union wages are tied to minimum wages so the $15 minium wage would amount to a raise to every union worker also. so its not the 3% that get a raise but more like the 60% of the population that also gets a raise.
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Old 02-23-2015, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Minimum wage is irrelevant. Raise it to $50 an hour, my only request is you do it slowly so business's can adjust. You'll still only be able to buy what your labor is worth for one hour. The dollar represents the value of your labor, the value of your labor isn't going to change simply becsue you changed the dollar amount.
So why isn't the minimum wage still $1.75/hour like it was when I first started working?
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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when labor union wages are tied to minimum wages so the $15 minium wage would amount to a raise to every union worker also. so its not the 3% that get a raise but more like the 60% of the population that also gets a raise.
See this is a perfect example of astroturfed information. Basically a small % of labor union wages are tied to minimum wage. A VERY small % near as I can tell. The astroturf folks bring it up like every single one is, turn it into some union plot, and spread the lie.

Thanks for misinforming people brownbagg. Im sure somewhere someone at ALEC is pointing towards this bit if lie being spread as gospel by people, and getting a bonus on their numbers this quarter.

Oh, and 60% will get a raise? OMG I had no idea that every single working age adult was in a union. OMG!
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:41 PM
 
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So why isn't the minimum wage still $1.75/hour like it was when I first started working?
Because its never been 1.75/hr?

1.60, and $2.00 sure....in the early 70's
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:43 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yup. This is the over looked statistic. About 25% of American workers make $10.00/hour or less. That is pretty pathetic in 2015 America. Aren't we supposed to be an "exceptional" nation?
Not when we have global wage arbitrage...
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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See this is a perfect example of astroturfed information. Basically a small % of labor union wages are tied to minimum wage. A VERY small % near as I can tell. The astroturf folks bring it up like every single one is, turn it into some union plot, and spread the lie.

Thanks for misinforming people brownbagg. Im sure somewhere someone at ALEC is pointing towards this bit if lie being spread as gospel by people, and getting a bonus on their numbers this quarter.

Oh, and 60% will get a raise? OMG I had no idea that every single working age adult was in a union. OMG!
Actually, while not 60%, a large number of working Americans will get a raise once the market recovers from the interference of raising the minimum wage. They'll go back to making whatever percentage over minimum wage they are making now - assuming, of course, that the economic interference doesn't push their employers over the edge and make it more affordable for them to automate or outsource than it is to keep their employees. Of course, that raise won't matter, because raising the minimum wage to $xx amount will effectively make $xx amount worth exactly what minimum wage is worth now. But for some reason, you all want to ignore history and pretend that if we can just raise the minimum wage this one last time, it will fix the problems of minimum wage earners - even though it never has before.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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when labor union wages are tied to minimum wages so the $15 minium wage would amount to a raise to every union worker also. so its not the 3% that get a raise but more like the 60% of the population that also gets a raise.
Unions are a small percentage of Americans these days, not 60%.
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Because its never been 1.75/hr?

1.60, and $2.00 sure....in the early 70's
Yeah, I'm 63 years old.

I started working in the late 60s.

Excuse me if I didn't quite remember the exact amount from almost 50 years ago...
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Actually, while not 60%, a large number of working Americans will get a raise once the market recovers from the interference of raising the minimum wage. They'll go back to making whatever percentage over minimum wage they are making now - assuming, of course, that the economic interference doesn't push their employers over the edge and make it more affordable for them to automate or outsource than it is to keep their employees. Of course, that raise won't matter, because raising the minimum wage to $xx amount will effectively make $xx amount worth exactly what minimum wage is worth now. But for some reason, you all want to ignore history and pretend that if we can just raise the minimum wage this one last time, it will fix the problems of minimum wage earners - even though it never has before.
You know what? It might if we tied it to inflation and productivity. IE if inflation goes up 2%, and productivity goes up 6%, we give a 4% raise.


I know crazy talk, right? We should just let inflation inflate it away til those minimum wage people feel enough pain to improve their lot by Golly! Right? (sarcasm)
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Are we being astroturfed over minimum wage?
Of course. Do you really think part-time, minimum-wage workers would risk attending all of these protests set up in various cities when they know they're likely to be fired for missing work or if they call in sick but are seen on TV protesting?

How to kill jobs & close doors — a minimum-wage warning to New York

Boom times for rent-a-mobs
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