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Old 02-25-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Why do something to fix issues when you can spend the time blaming others instead?
Because there isnt anything to "fix".. Liberals are just lying and making up bull **** again, in order to back more governmental control...

its their playbook, page by page.. Its all you guys do.
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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America did not use military drones until GW Bush started using them.
And liberals went bat crazy over it, because we were killing innocent children.

Not a peep from it since obama has been sworn in.
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I've never heard of this "pay for faster" speed.. Can you cite for me some internet companies who do this.

In particular, list for rme what they spend yearly, so I can review their stock market reports. I'm curious what Amazon pays for example.

As a website owner, I've never been approached to pay more, in fact the speed of my website is directly related to the speed of line I have coming into my facility and internal gig network connection cables.. PERIOD..

POST #22:
yes, I paid $300 a month for fast internet. and yes I now pay $42 a month and my sites do indeed load much slower.. I have ftp files I download every single day, used to take about 30 minutes, now it sometimes takes 6 hours..

To ignore this fact is complete ignorance.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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You seem to be contradicting yourself.
um.. no, I switched from Armstrong Cable, to ATT DSL to cut my cost from $300 a month, to $42

With that lower cost, comes slower speeds.. And longer to download files. The difference of course is it was MY CHOICE to slow down my internet speeds, and it was universal across every website and every connection, not individual websites.

But thats as a CONSUMER.. I'm waiting to hear about these companies, who own websites, who have to pay more in order to get more because they are being SLOWED ON PURPOSE..

Not having lines to support faster speeds, isnt the same as being throttled, which is the fear being portrayed to justify this need.

Someone cite for me for example, how much money Amazon pays, to not have their website throttled. If you are going to claim companies have to pay more, in order to not be throttled, then cite for me examples of it taking place. Not some left wing kook fear mongering that it COULD happen.. tell me how it is...

As far as i can tell, the federal takeover of the internet, would do things like severely cut down on things like porn. What are they going to, put into place the same laws legislating the internet, as they do television and radio?
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As far as i can tell, the federal takeover of the internet, would do things like severely cut down on things like porn. What are they going to, put into place the same laws legislating the internet, as they do television and radio?
Creating regulations does NOT equate to a government take-over.

Hyperbole at its finest...
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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The FCC is not congress. They have a long open public comment area and then draft and publish rules based on that. This is done to prevent lobbying. It has always been done. . . and only in VERY FEW cases have they shown the rules before publishing them.

Nothing has to "pass"


You can tell the WSJ article (small part I can read) is BS, when it calls Net Neutrality a "Obama" plan. Its not, but I guess a Google, Facebook, Netflix, Sonic (an ISP), Etsy (Etsy CEO makes impassioned plea in support of FCC's net neutrality proposal | The Verge) plan wouldn't sell as many papers to Republicans.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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um.. no, I switched from Armstrong Cable, to ATT DSL to cut my cost from $300 a month, to $42

With that lower cost, comes slower speeds.. And longer to download files. The difference of course is it was MY CHOICE to slow down my internet speeds, and it was universal across every website and every connection, not individual websites.

But thats as a CONSUMER.. I'm waiting to hear about these companies, who own websites, who have to pay more in order to get more because they are being SLOWED ON PURPOSE..
Like Netflix's large payments to Comcast and AT&T? just because you weren't paying attention that it was happening, doesn't mean it didn't.

Or what about data caps being implemented to ensure HD Video and 4k Video can only be delivered by Comcast and not netflix?

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Not having lines to support faster speeds, isnt the same as being throttled, which is the fear being portrayed to justify this need.

Someone cite for me for example, how much money Amazon pays, to not have their website throttled. If you are going to claim companies have to pay more, in order to not be throttled, then cite for me examples of it taking place. Not some left wing kook fear mongering that it COULD happen.. tell me how it is...



Oh I get it. So customers of comcast pay $100 bucks for "30gbps" internet. But when they go to netflix it doesn't work . .and the excuse is . . its not throttling? After Netflix pays Comcast, speeds improve 65% | Ars Technica



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As far as i can tell, the federal takeover of the internet, would do things like severely cut down on things like porn. What are they going to, put into place the same laws legislating the internet, as they do television and radio?
Dude, just because you can't read. . and have NO IDEA what title2 means. . .doesn't mean you can make crap up and pretend its true.
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcjQPVwfDk

Obama is against this to the fullest. If this is allowed you will be charged pre 50gb of use and once you go over a certain amount they will slow you down so much that you can not download or watch streaming videos till the end of the month
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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L. Gordon Crovitz: From Internet to Obamanet - WSJ

Even some congressional Democrats are questioning Obama on this, but not enough are doing so.
It's all about obama and the liberals gaining more federal control over the affairs of the people. He looks around where people have the freedom to choose things for themselves and he wants the feds to take over control of that freedom, to dictate it, regulate it and manage it.

There is a lot of political speech and free interchange of ideas and commerce on the internet, and the tyrants in government want to control it, and decide for us what we can do, and what we cannot do.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Fact of the matter is that companies like Verizon used Title II to cover the cost and reap the benefits of utility but are fighting like tooth and nail to not be classified as a utility. They have used state utility budgets to upgrade their networks (still below many third world standards mind you), but then want the ability to determine whose content they deliver over those publically paid for cables.

They are a heavily subsidized, near monopolies with a 97% profit margin made on publicly funded infrastructure. There's no rational reason they shouldn't be under Title II.
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