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Old 03-04-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: CO
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Please, yes, let's continue to unnecessarily endanger the environment so that Obama's buddies Buffett and Gates can get even richer, especially since they bought up all those railways just recently.
Your concern for the environment is noted.

You must be incensed over:

• TransCanada's Keystone I spilling 12 times in its 1st year (they predicted once every 7 years)
• Enbridge's Kalamazoo spill
• ExxonMobile's Mayflower spill

There's big money throughout the deal.
While Gates and Buffett are currently on the winning side of the deal, people from both parties will profit either way.

Difference being that their positions are fully disclosed, something our Congressmen (and women) do not have to reveal.
The STOCK Act is still in effect but NAPA's recommendations rendered it essentially worthless.
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your concern for the environment is noted.
Indeed, it is. Look at the charts:

It’s a lot riskier to move oil by train instead of pipeline - The Washington Post
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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And pipes aren't exactly spill or accident-free.


America's Dangerous Pipelines, 1986-2014
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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And pipes aren't exactly spill or accident-free.
Thery're much less so than railways. Read the charts:

It’s a lot riskier to move oil by train instead of pipeline - The Washington Post
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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Yes, you do seem to enjoy Chris Ingraham's WaPo piece. He does good work.

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The spillage rate figures show that rail typically does better than pipe.
In 2012, for instance, railroad operators spilled about 500 barrels of oil for every billion they moved.
Pipeline operators, on the other hand, lost about 2,000 barrels per billion.
Granted, that doesn't matter much when...
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The numbers illustrate how volatile these figures can be --
one big spill can completely change the face of an industry's safety record.
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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Yes, you do seem to enjoy Chris Ingraham's WaPo piece. He does good work.
And you support Obama's unilateral decision to place the environment at greater risk because it enriches Obama's buddies Buffett and Gates?
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Old 03-04-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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And you support Obama's unilateral decision to place the environment at greater risk because it enriches Obama's buddies Buffett and Gates?
You seem to have conveniently skipped parts of that piece.

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The spillage rate figures show that rail typically does better than pipe.
In 2012, for instance, railroad operators spilled about 500 barrels of oil for every billion they moved.
Pipeline operators, on the other hand, lost about 2,000 barrels per billion.
Granted, that doesn't matter much when...

The numbers illustrate how volatile these figures can be --
one big spill can completely change the face of an industry's safety record.
You feel that you've provided some empirical data but his findings aren't as solid as his title suggests.
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Pipeline spills are, on average, larger than railroad spills.
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And it's worth pointing out that despite having a bad year in 2013, more than 99.99% of crude delivered by rail made it to its final destination.
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:11 PM
 
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You seem to have conveniently skipped parts of that piece.
Not really. There's no dispute that railway transport of oil is far more dangerous to the environment than are pipelines.

Again... read the charts:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-of-pipeline/
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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Not really. There's no dispute that railway transport of oil is far more dangerous to the environment than are pipelines.
There's no dispute that KXL is about more than just rails vs. pipes.

I've repeatedly provided items from the article you provided. You've chosen to ignore them.

I'm sorry you remain so confused and uninformed on the matter.
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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There's no dispute that KXL is about more than just rails vs. pipes.
Yes, it's also about Obama further enriching his buddies Buffett and Gates.
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