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Old 02-24-2015, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Please provide facts to back up your claims.
Read the study.
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Old 02-24-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Read this https://genderidentitywatch.files.wo...-in-sweden.pdf


Who cares what religion McHugh is, his opinions and treatments are based on his YEARS of overseeing the results of surgeries performed at Johns Hopkins and his treatment of patients.

His research has NOT been debunked over and over. You may not be happy with his opinions or research, but the opinions of progressive pro-transgender advocates does not equate to "debunking research."
McHugh is not at all objective. His "research" was coloured by his religion. Not exactly pure science.

There we go: the meat of the matter for you: progressive. It's all about the lib'ruls.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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There is negativity towards sufferers of gender dysphoria, because those sufferers REQUIRE that everyone else accept THEIR reality. How is one expected to "mind one's own business" when employers have to hold meetings when a gender dysphoric employee demands that everyone accept that Jim from last week is now "Jane" and no one better slip and use the wrong descriptor or complain with Jim/Jane uses the ladies room (standing up). Yeah, right. The liberties of a gender dysphoria sufferer ends where my liberty begins and requiring me to comply with that reality makes it "my business."
Accept their reality? I agree that getting upset about mistaking his/her is unreasonable, but does you care if Jim asks to be called Jane? And if so, why did it not bother you that before he was Jim, he was actually James? People can be called whatever they damn well please. The only reason it bothers people on this particular issue is that people are 'uncomfortable.'

Also, who cares if someone pees standing up in a ladies restroom. Don't ladies restrooms have stalls? Who's really getting bothered by that for a reason that makes sense?
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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In these cases there is always a functioning genital and a non-functioning genital. The person is still a male or a female, not both.

Not that this makes it any less confusing.
Transgenders will always be wannabe men and wannabe women, like many security guards are wannabe cops.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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It sounds like you are talking about David Reimer. John Money, the psychologist overseeing the case, advised the parents to raise him as a girl after his penis was mutilated in a botched circumcision. David never felt he was a girl, even though he was raised in the female gender role. When his parents finally told him that he was born male, he immediately underwent surgery to restore his penis. If anything, this illustrates the fact that cosmetic surgery and indoctrination in alternate gender roles does NOT change the reality of DNA.
David Reimer was not transgendered, he was a fully functioning heterosexual male who suffered the brutality of a botched circumcision. Since his penis was burned off, it is most likely his subsequent gender corrective surgeries were not very successful. David ended up killing himself in 2004. While it is amazing that there are people who insist on believing sexual orientation is choice, rather than innate, the case regarding David Reimer was empirical proof that sexual orientation is not learned, it is innate, and immutable.
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:59 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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If you are born with a penis, you are a man. Anything else is baloney.
^^^^^

My response:

That statement was made by someone born with a brain ... but is still a blithering idiot.

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Old 02-24-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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If you are born with a penis, you are a man. Anything else is baloney.
^^^^^

My response:

That statement was made by someone born with a brain ... but is still a blithering idiot.

... and full of not baloney, but horse manure.

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Old 02-24-2015, 08:24 PM
 
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Default The Age of let's be different!

This whole thread is off. This modern age encourages people to try different life styles because in Hollywood and the age of modern media its ok to do what you want even if is against all moral values.

There will be always freaks of nature and the human need to buck traditional values.

This thread will turn very bad.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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This whole thread is off. This modern age encourages people to try different life styles because in Hollywood and the age of modern media its ok to do what you want even if is against all moral values.

There will be always freaks of nature and the human need to buck traditional values.

This thread will turn very bad.
What moral values are you speaking of?
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:54 PM
 
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Read the study.
So you are just relying on opinions of trans friendly bloggers who argue the study is invalid because the control group is made up of non gender dysphoric individuals? Just like the studies done on pre-op gender dysphorics?

How insightful.
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