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nice job responding to one section of my post and ignoring the rest. at the point where people are going to a shelter, it is time to break up the relationship anyway as it generally wont get any better.
now try responding to the rest of my post.
Sorry. I basically agree with the rest of your post. I was just commenting on the part about people needing to go into a shelter.
It doesn't force them to be civil by removing the gun. Do you think that the only way to kill a spouse in a drunken rage is with a gun? Check out the FBI stats on murders with hands and feet.
Except for the fact that it has reduced the number of domestic violence deaths in the state. Guns make murdering a partner much, much easier.
DV and poverty are in fact related heavily. yes DV can occur at any income level, but its at a higher level, and with more severity at lower incomes.
Let's be balanced.
Many people are poor and most people do not choose to abuse their partners.
Many statistics are skewed because they come from public agencies, city hospitals, police departments, social service agencies and the courts. Since upper middle class individuals are often less likely to seek services from a public agency, they are not included in these stats.
Many people are poor and most people do not choose to abuse their partners.
Many statistics are skewed because they come from public agencies, city hospitals, police departments, social service agencies and the courts. Since upper middle class individuals are often less likely to seek services from a public agency, they are not included in these stats.
No, lets be factual. And be careful. I am not saying poverty is an excuse. I can just as easily make the argument that at lower levels it is reported less because people can't afford to lose their partner they depend on.
If you think that poverty doesn't increase stress, and mental health issues, you do not live in reality. Feel free to provide FACTUAL responses, not nonsense like "lets be balanced"
No, lets be factual. And be careful. I am not saying poverty is an excuse. I can just as easily make the argument that at lower levels it is reported less because people can't afford to lose their partner they depend on.
If you think that poverty doesn't increase stress, and mental health issues, you do not live in reality. Feel free to provide FACTUAL responses, not nonsense like "lets be balanced"
One can only be balanced by providing facts. I don't see any in your post. Feel free to provide them, with links.
One can only be balanced by providing facts. I don't see any in your post. Feel free to provide them, with links.
I did so in post #53. Your response was to do EXACTLY what you just complained about. You presented a opinion piece. I'm no fan of domestic violence, but I am a fan of truth.
Agreed. I'm not sure what the crime reduction was in the Canadian experiment, or even if it was tracked. If you want to question how well it would work here thats a fair question that I would love to know the answer too. But theres a lot of other aspects to it that offset its cost. If I pay a homeless guy 12K/yr I will save the 30K/yr in expense that the average homeless person causes. Financially that makes sense. If I tax someone like me an additional 12K/yr, then give it back to him....its a wash. Im still pondering all of this, but at this point in time I am still thinking its not economically viable to do. Theres a ton of variables involved. I do think it is inevitable eventually. I just wonder when.
the biggest issue i see with guaranteed basic income is that it would be administered by the federal government in a one size fits all approach. and while giving a homeless person $12k per year to save $18k sounds good, chances are that $18k, and more, will be absorbed by the federal government bureaucracy, creating a net loss in the program. now if the states were the ones to administer the program, that might be different, but still rather expensive. i see promise in the effort, but i also see far too much opportunity for waste and fraud in the program as well. and given our governments track record with social programs, i dont see it woking very well.
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As for rich peoples children...theres two types of crime. The "whoops partied too hard was irresponsible", the "im rich I can get away with it", and the "Im angry". Those sorts of crimes won't change. So how much crime do rich people commit vs's poor people?
either way crime is crime, and far too many people get away with it.
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Sorry. I basically agree with the rest of your post. I was just commenting on the part about people needing to go into a shelter.
i agree that going to a shelter is, and should be, a last resort. unfortunately however once spousal abuse starts, it rarely ends well for anyone. as i said though too many cops try to keep from arresting someone accused of abusing someone else, usually because there is little evidence of abuse, and there is a ton of paperwork they have to fill out and file. and when these things go to court, the abused person usually drops the charges, or refuses to testify, and the abuser goes free. hence the reason for teh shelters to begin with.
First, I don't think domestic violence can be significantly decreased unless cultural beliefs that consider it acceptable are confronted and done away with.
However, I also believe one related issue must be addressed: for it to be, without exception, legal for women to defend themselves, and for women to know this. There are too many women who feel they must tolerate violence because they risk getting arrested if they defend themselves or fight back- in any way, not just shooting the individual.
Wife in Florida defended herself and was sentence to 20 years in prison even though she only fired a warning shot. The husband acknowledge abusing his wife.
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