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Why can't you enter into a legal marriage? Are you too young? If you are claiming that you cannot enter into marriage because you are a woman, then you are correct, because every woman has the same rights as a man to be married. A man is required to marry a woman and a woman is required to marry a man. Are you claiming that you are denied the right to marry a man?
No other woman can marry a woman, so you have the same rights as every other woman. No man can legal marry a man, so that is equal treatment under the existing laws.
You want to have special treatment based on the underlying relationship and not because you are being denied equal treatment under the existing law.
Exactly. Men can but women cannot. Making rules based on gender is Unconstitutional.
You might as well say men may own property but not women. It's fair, because no woman may own property. Therefore, all women are equal. No woman is being denied equal treatment.
You sure want to keep gays down. So in the places where same sex marriage is legal you accept that they can now marry someone from the same sex as that is what the new laws allow?
Yeah, I want to keep gays down. If a state redefines marriage to mean anyone can marry anyone else, then, until it is struck down, it is the law. Just like slavery was the law and people who wanted to own other people were legally allowed to do so. Doesn't mean that the people who didn't view that law as moral could be bullied into participating in slavery. And it doesn't mean that just because the STATE deems something legal, that it is not immoral.
Why can't you enter into a legal marriage? Are you too young? If you are claiming that you cannot enter into marriage because you are a woman, then you are correct, because every woman has the same rights as a man to be married. A man is required to marry a woman and a woman is required to marry a man. Are you claiming that you are denied the right to marry a man?
No other woman can marry a woman, so you have the same rights as every other woman. No man can legal marry a man, so that is equal treatment under the existing laws.
You want to have special treatment based on the underlying relationship and not because you are being denied equal treatment under the existing law.
That tired argument?
Black can marry black, but white can not
White can marry white, but black can not
Equal right?
Same thing as
Man can marry woman, but woman can not
Woman can marry man, but man can not.
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They insisted that because miscegenation laws punished both the black and white partners to an interracial marriage, they affected blacks and whites "equally."
Yeah, I want to keep gays down. If a state redefines marriage to mean anyone can marry anyone else, then, until it is struck down, it is the law. Just like slavery was the law and people who wanted to own other people were legally allowed to do so. Doesn't mean that the people who didn't view that law as moral could be bullied into participating in slavery. And it doesn't mean that just because the STATE deems something legal, that it is not immoral.
The morality of the old books where slavery was not immoral. No one is being bullied into same sex marriage, the are being required to obey laws concerning commerce.
And yes your use of pedophilia etc tagging on with same sex marriage in your arguments why it should not be allowed are attempts to keep them down as in not being equal citizens. The gay mafia has less clout then the religious side but the gays do have the laws on their side. And time will show that they had morality, decency and common sense as well. Fifty years ago I might have been siding with you but I have matured.
Under the laws a man and a woman are to be treated the same per the 14th amendment. Both males and females are persons, and citizens. "nor deny equal protection of the laws", I am being denied equal protection of the laws regarding marriage, since a male can enter into a legal marriage that I can not.
Sameness =/= parity.
Regardless of whether they are a man or a woman, any person (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority) is allowed to enter into a marriage with a partner of the opposite sex (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority).
If the law stated that only certain classes of women (ie women of certain races, divorcees, only women over 40 years of age, etc,) may marry, then that would be a violation of the ECP. A blanket prohibition of allowing NO woman to marry another woman is a uniform application of the law to all women within the jurisdiction in which the law is in force, and thus does not violate the ECP.
In order to understand the intent of the ECP, I strongly suggest you go back and re-read the synopsis of its history that I have previously posted.
Regardless of whether they are a man or a woman, any person (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority) is allowed to enter into a marriage with a partner of the opposite sex (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority).
If the law stated that only certain classes of women (ie women of certain races, divorcees, only women over 40 years of age, etc,) may marry, then that would be a violation of the ECP. A blanket prohibition of allowing NO woman to marry another woman is a uniform application of the law to all women within the jurisdiction in which the law is in force, and thus does not violate the ECP.
In order to understand the intent of the ECP, I strongly suggest you go back and re-read the synopsis of its history that I have previously posted.
And at one time the law stated that people were allowed to marry a partner of the same race.
That was found to be in violation of the EPC, because it discriminated based on race. A white man was allowed to do something that a black man could not do, marry a white woman.
The issue is the same today, but based on the sex of the people getting married instead of the race.
A man can marry a woman, but a woman can not.
Discrimination based on sex is not allowed just like discrimination based on race is not allowed.
Regardless of whether they are a man or a woman, any person (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority) is allowed to enter into a marriage with a partner of the opposite sex (who is unmarried and has reached the age of legal majority).
If the law stated that only certain classes of women (ie women of certain races, divorcees, only women over 40 years of age, etc,) may marry, then that would be a violation of the ECP. A blanket prohibition of allowing NO woman to marry another woman is a uniform application of the law to all women within the jurisdiction in which the law is in force, and thus does not violate the ECP.
In order to understand the intent of the ECP, I strongly suggest you go back and re-read the synopsis of its history that I have previously posted.
ECP?
You mean the Fourteenth Amendment? Equal Protection Clause?
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
So women can only be equal to other women and men can only be equal to other men? I don't think so.
Where does the Amendment say that women only have comparable rights to those of other women and men only to men? Where does it say anything about same sex marriage? Where does it say anything about marriage at all? What it does is extend the protection of law to all persons, male and female alike. That means men and women of all races, and it means men and women of all sexual orientations.
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Originally Posted by Slowpoke_TX
To assert that "gay is the new black" is to completely ignore that fact that race is an immutable characteristic, but sexual orientation is not.
If sexual orientation is a choice, why on earth would anyone choose to be homosexual? There are times and places when being homosexual could - and can - get you killed.
Sexual orientation is fluid, all the way from asexuality to those who are (supposedly) strictly heterosexual or homosexual, with a fair number that are attracted to both sexes. Just as there are heterosexual couples who wish to live together and make a family (which may or may not include children), there are homosexual couples who wish to live together and make families (which may or may not include children). There is no constitutional reason to say that they should not, and marriage offers certain secular advantages granted by the states and the federal government, such as the ability to file a joint income tax return and rights as to property and inheritance.
Equal protection under the law also means the protection of the law against discrimination in the area of commerce. Therefore, laws that explicitly codify that such discrimination is illegal, such as in Washington, actually are just reflecting the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws do not violate the First Amendment because no one has the right to discriminate in a business transaction because of his religious beliefs, just as he cannot discriminate against a potential customer because of the customer's race - or his religion.
By the way, race is an artificial construct, and with the advent of DNA testing, many people are having their personal racial identities blurred in ways they would not have thought possible. many who itentify as white are finding they have significant African heritage - and the reverse is also true.
Everything you have posted is about sexual orientation.
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If a state redefines marriage to mean anyone can marry anyone else, then, until it is struck down, it is the law. Just like slavery was the law and people who wanted to own other people were legally allowed to do so. Doesn't mean that the people who didn't view that law as moral could be bullied into participating in slavery. And it doesn't mean that just because the STATE deems something legal, that it is not immoral.
