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Old 02-27-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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More reductio ad absurdum from someone without a valid argument.

She did not deny them flowers, she denied them her artistic and creative energy to design floral arrangements meant for a ceremony celebrating homosexuality. Since homosexuality is a sin, she has every legal right to decline on the basis of her 1st Amendment protections.

You might want to take a look at the Constitution.
So she is a cherry picking christian? Does she deny flowers for weddings where the couple were previously divorced? Or when the bride is not a virgin? What about floral arrangements for non christian weddings or funerals? Arrangements for the birth of children when their parents aren't married?

See, IF one person can use "religious beliefs" to trump generally applicable laws, than so can anyone else. All laws would basically be unenforceable since all one would have to do is claim "religious belief" in breaking the law.

 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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so now we are at a point where we the people want gays removed from protected class.
No, we are at the point where people have to stop being bullied into thinking that homosexuals are entitled to special privileges because of their sexual proclivities.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Stop conflating the color of a person's skin with the sexual attraction to certain genitalia. Being black or Hispanic has never been deemed an "abomination," yet homosexuality has always been deemed a moral sin by all major world religions.

There are no 1st Amendment protections for discriminating against a person's skin color, but there is when it comes to indentured servitude that violates your religious freedom by forcing you to provide your labor for a celebration of homosexuality.
B.S. Any thing can be claimed to be a religious belief including discriminating based on race, sex, age, religion, or physically disabled. You seem to think that only the religious beliefs that you agree with should be included, but what about everyone elses religious beliefs?
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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So she is a cherry picking christian? Does she deny flowers for weddings where the couple were previously divorced? Or when the bride is not a virgin? What about floral arrangements for non christian weddings or funerals? Arrangements for the birth of children when their parents aren't married?

See, IF one person can use "religious beliefs" to trump generally applicable laws, than so can anyone else. All laws would basically be unenforceable since all one would have to do is claim "religious belief" in breaking the law.
She is not cherry picking anything and you know it. Your argument is another straw man. Stick to the facts of this case and stop trying to argue irrelevant and absurd scenarios in order to support your (lack of) argument.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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No, we are at the point where people have to stop being bullied into thinking that homosexuals are entitled to special privileges because of their sexual proclivities.
Since when is purchasing something offered for sale a "special privilege"?

Why do "christians" always think that they should have special privileges to ignore the laws?
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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No, no she doesn't.

Under the basis of faith, you can decline anything if this were the case... and what do ya know? It's not!

The constitution does not exempt her from law period.

You really are dense. Go Google Conscientious Objectors. Go Google Amish not subject to SSI laws.

The 1st Amendment protects a person's religious freedoms over laws that infringe those freedoms. Which the WA State law does.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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She is not cherry picking anything and you know it. Your argument is another straw man. Stick to the facts of this case and stop trying to argue irrelevant and absurd scenarios in order to support your (lack of) argument.
No. Marriage to a non virgin calls for stoning in the bible. Divorce is prohibited for any reason except infidelity in the bible. Following any god but the god of the bible is against the first commandment.
Unless she also refuses those then she is cherry picking.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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Why do "christians" always think that they should have special privileges to ignore the laws?
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
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With the exception of "essential services", businesses should be allowed to discriminate if they choose.

Is it right? No, but it is their business and they shouldn't be forced to do business with anyone they don't want to do business, and I see no valid argument why they should.

I wouldn't do business with businesses that discriminate, and that is my choice as well.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Since when is purchasing something offered for sale a "special privilege"?

Why do "christians" always think that they should have special privileges to ignore the laws?
The special privilege sought by homosexuals is the redefinition of marriage solely based on their sexual preference. They have the same rights as every other American citizen to marry someone of the opposite sex, but they want an exemption from that law based solely on their sexual desires.

If they had walked into the store and ordered a bunch of bouquets of flowers, that transaction would have taken place (as such sales between the florist and these customers had been for nearly a decade), but they sought out her creative and artistic energies to create arrangements specifically intended for use in a ceremony celebrating homosexuality. The florist understands homosexuality to be an abomination and a sin and therefore could not participate in the celebration of homosexuality by expending her creative and artistic talents in creating floral arrangements.
 
Old 02-27-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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No. Marriage to a non virgin calls for stoning in the bible. Divorce is prohibited for any reason except infidelity in the bible. Following any god but the god of the bible is against the first commandment.
Unless she also refuses those then she is cherry picking.
Sure thing, bible scholar....
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