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Nope you are the one who stated previously that if a business sells a wedding cake to anyone else, they MUST sell to gay customers. They you say, well even if they sell wedding cakes, they can deny service if the gay customer requests a rainbow colored penis shaped cake. Nowhere in that statement did you argue anything about denying a gay customer because the baker did not make or was incapable of making such a cake, you stated only that a baker could refuse to bake a rainbow colored penis shaped cake if requested by a gay customer.
YOU are the one who is backtracking on your previously stated argument that if a florist sells wedding flowers to anyone, they must sell wedding flowers to gay people. If a baker sells a wedding cake to anyone, they must sell to gay people.
YOU are the one who changed your argument, not me. I am the one pointing out YOUR hypocrisy...you WISH I were dense.
Maybe you should go back and read what I was responding to. The poster was discussing bakers having objections to the design or decorations of the cake. Since neither case ever discussed the design or decorations it is a moot point, but I agreed that IF the design was not something that the baker would bake for anyone they do not have to sell it to the gay couple either. That is were the penis cake came in, as an example of something that the baker would not make for anyone.
They sell wedding cakes and the gay customer wants a wedding cake.
If it is a design that the shop offers then the shop has to sell it to them, if it isn't then they don't.
It's a simple concept.
If a baker doesn't do wedding cakes with fountains in them, then they don;t have to sell them to anyone either.
If the baker doesn't sell wedding cakes with hazelnut cream, they don't have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell wedding cakes over 3 tiers, they do not have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell wedding cakes with real flowers on them they do not have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell penis shaped wedding cakes they do not have to sell them to anyone.
Everyone has a right to ask a baker to bake a cake that they don't make and be refused.
No one, other than jjrose, because he/she stuck his/her foot in the mouth, has stated that the baker was incapable of making the requested cake. jjrose tossed that out after saying the gay couple could be denied a cake if they requested a rainbow colored, penis shaped wedding cake.
But the 1st Amendment protects every citizen from being forced to follow a specific, government sanctioned religion and protects every citizen's right to freely express their religion by prohibiting laws that infringe upon that religious freedom.
EVERY citizens right to freedom of religion by prohibiting ALL laws that infringe on them?
If it is a design that the shop offers then the shop has to sell it to them, if it isn't then they don't.
It's a simple concept.
If a baker doesn't do wedding cakes with fountains in them, then they don;t have to sell them to anyone either.
If the baker doesn't sell wedding cakes with hazelnut cream, they don't have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell wedding cakes over 3 tiers, they do not have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell wedding cakes with real flowers on them they do not have to sell them to anyone.
If the baker does not sell penis shaped wedding cakes they do not have to sell them to anyone.
Keep trying to justify your original statement by adding conditions. Doesn't change your initial, unqualified response that gays can be denied service for requesting a rainbow colored, penis shaped wedding cake. End of your statement. PERIOD.
No one, other than jjrose, because he/she stuck his/her foot in the mouth, has stated that the baker was incapable of making the requested cake. jjrose tossed that out after saying the gay couple could be denied a cake if they requested a rainbow colored, penis shaped wedding cake.
Yes they can, if the bakery does not offer that kind of cake.
A wealthy Muslim man runs several shopping malls/department stores. He decides that women wearing shorts, skirts and short-sleeved shirts are not allowed in his stores. A woman must be covered in pants, long sleeve shirts and a hijab. Women also cannot come to his establishments without an adult male accompanying them. His stores happen to be the only options in a small to mid-sized town, so it's difficult to avoid shopping at the places he runs.
Somehow, I don't think the people supporting the cake store had this in mind. It's not about religious freedom, but rather the allowance of various phobias by (white) Christians.
Isn't he imposing his religious rules on the general public? I can understand a dress code some restaurants have them too but unless it is a church of some kind I do not think he can make them subscribe to any religious rules when in his store and wear a religious garment like a hijab can he? And the part about a man accompanying women that will not work I think he will go out of business.
EVERY citizens right to freedom of religion by prohibiting ALL laws that infringe on them?
Is that your final answer?
That has never BEEN my answer. Every citizen right to the free exercise of their religious faith is protected by the 1st Amendment. There are no caveats or conditions in the 1st Amendment with regard to specific religions.
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