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Old 03-05-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You forget the consumers complained too. Comcast throttled service for users on both ends whether it was Netflix streaming to their consumers or Netflix's consumers viewing Netflix's options. The issue is as it falls under the FCC's jurisdiction, it fell under the FCC rather than the courts in this case.

As for BUU, if you read my last post, rather than clipping it you should have gotten the picture of that original post. If not, I have nothing more to say to you because I don't have the backend knowledge you claim to have.
The throttling didn't fall under the FCC. That's what the court case was about and the FCC lost.
The FCC has made the internet a utillity so now it does fall under them.


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Old 03-05-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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Lets assume you weren't paying as much attention as me. . here is the process

1 - FCC passed net neutrality . . .most were okay with it.
2 - Verizon wasn't. Against the advice of Comcast and others (dude you may lose/make it worse) they sued to overturn net neutrality
3 - most companies were okay with net neutrality, and there wasn't as much press.
4 - Verizon won, but the judge said "it doesn't have authority to do this. .unless it tells you you all are title 2"
5 - Verizon bet that FCC wouldn't have the political gumpgh to do that. . .seriously, Wheeler was a former lobbyist

6 - FCC said, f you all. . and declared title 2 after the largest /biggest comment period ever. . .more people sent letters



In reality, we are just returning to the principals of the US internet before verizon won a court case. . .that is why day to day. . not much is /will be different

the future - though - is in tact






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It hasn't and that's the point.

So what really is the intent behind the FCC regulating the internet ?

The only ones that voiced "a problem" were the consumer content providers.

And people seem to think the government is solving a problem that didn't exist.
Sure there was some throttling done by Comast. But that should have been solved in court. The FCC went about it the wrong way and their case got thrown out.
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Old 03-05-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Comcast will still "throttle" service. The rules explicitly permit that.
They may but now it won't be holding Netflix and other high-bandwidth users hostage at a premium. That's a victory because it removes some monopolist impact from the free market.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:44 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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It hasn't and that's the point.

So what really is the intent behind the FCC regulating the internet ?

The only ones that voiced "a problem" were the consumer content providers.

And people seem to think the government is solving a problem that didn't exist.
Sure there was some throttling done by Comast. But that should have been solved in court. The FCC went about it the wrong way and their case got thrown out.
The intent is to legislate how the internet should be setup. You keep forgetting that it's Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc that wants to alter how the internet is currently setup. The providers sued the FCC in order to create a tiered system. Your narrative isn't correct.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:56 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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The foundation of the Internet was non-commercial information sharing. Where or what were the issues with that which led to pay services riding on the Internet?
And did they treat all data equally?

Don't understand your question? It seems that expansion caused pay services to ride along.

So did you.have any issues with how the internet functioned prior to 2013?
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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Awesome!!! Now what are the detractors going to say now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/te...t-utility.html
When did this become a problem that government had to fix?

Are you happy about it just because the current resident at 1600 made it happen? Who benefited? Do you even care?
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The intent is to legislate how the internet should be setup. You keep forgetting that it's Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc that wants to alter how the internet is currently setup. The providers sued the FCC in order to create a tiered system. Your narrative isn't correct.
No it isn't. The FCC does not OWN the internet and has nothing to do with its setup.

An ISP sued the FCC because the FCC didn't have authority to make any rulings.
So the FCC declared the internet a public utility. Now they have regulatory authority.

But the FCC has no plans regarding how the internet is set up. The internet is global and the FCC has no authority outside of US shores.

The FCC can only regulate what happens in the US.

This is the core of the net neutrality rule that was passed:

FCC votes for net neutrality, a ban on paid fast lanes, and Title II | Ars Technica
The core net neutrality provisions are bans on blocking and throttling traffic, a ban on paid prioritization, and a requirement to disclose network management practices.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:02 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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When did this become a problem that government had to fix?

Are you happy about it just because the current resident at 1600 made it happen? Who benefited? Do you even care?
When providers sued the FCC to alter how the internet is setup....
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:06 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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No it isn't. The FCC does not OWN the internet and has nothing to do with its setup.

An ISP sued the FCC because the FCC didn't have authority to make any rulings.
So the FCC declared the internet a public utility. Now they have regulatory authority.

But the FCC has no plans regarding how the internet is set up. The internet is global and the FCC has no authority outside of US shores.

The FCC can only regulate what happens in the US.

This is the core of the net neutrality rule that was passed:

FCC votes for net neutrality, a ban on paid fast lanes, and Title II | Ars Technica
The core net neutrality provisions are bans on blocking and throttling traffic, a ban on paid prioritization, and a requirement to disclose network management practices.
I'm speaking in broad terms. Do you not understand why the FCC had to make it a public utility? Do you deny that providers want a tiered internet system and can't do so legally? Do you understand why the government had to step in because your reply essentially confirmed what I posted.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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I used to have Comcast and I hated it. I did some research among several other providers and chose one that I like much more. The fact that I could do that and do it easily defeats on its face your complaint about their monopolistic power. This is a power grab sold as a defense against monopolies in one of the most wide open industries in the world.
name those competitors ,,,

Betcha they are enabled by the Consent Decree of 1985

Comcast is not subject to the Consent Decree
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