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Old 03-11-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
LOL, it's spreading slow because Democrats try to block such legislation whenever they can. Because they receive so much political money from the unions, they want the unions to always have the money available.
In a lot of states, people can bypass the wishes of their legislators by getting the required number of signatures for a petition calling for the people to vote on a desired issue. If people don't want to be bothered with doing that, then they don't want Right to Work for their state bad enough.

In Oklahoma, the reason why Democrat legislators allowed Right to Work to come up for a vote by the people was because they were seldom getting any feedback from union members, or donations. Too many Oklahoma union members were voting for Republicans, if they were registered to vote at all.

 
Old 03-11-2015, 10:17 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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I don't. All my concern is why should unions in Right to Work states be required to represent the free loaders when they want to file grievances? Maybe it's time for unions to seek changes in law, so they won't have to do this any more.
What's stopping them?
 
Old 03-11-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie View Post
In a lot of states, people can bypass the wishes of their legislators by getting the required number of signatures for a petition calling for the people to vote on a desired issue. If people don't want to be bothered with doing that, then they don't want Right to Work for their state bad enough.
Does that also apply to the ACA?

If people really wanted some form of government run insurance program, why didn't they get a petition together? I guess they really don't want the ACA, would you agree by your same logic?

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In Oklahoma, the reason why Democrat legislators allowed Right to Work to come up for a vote by the people was because they were seldom getting any feedback from union members, or donations. Too many Oklahoma union members were voting for Republicans, if they were registered to vote at all.
What about the actual unions? To whom were they donating? Links please.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What is funny is that in basically no RTW states have such laws been shown to result in higher wages or standards of living...
Why would they?

The Laws of Economics rule, not whimsical fantasy views.

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1995: LG gains a 58 percent controlling stake in Zenith by buying $351 million in stock.

Nov 14, 1999 - What's an American industrial icon worth? Try 200 million bucks. That's what LG Electronics paid when it acquired Zenith in a bankruptcy.
The wonderful union benefit here is that all of the former Zenith union employees who didn't fake worker's comp claims or Social Security Disability claims, got jobs at Wal-Mart and McDonald's.


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We've got 100 million workers in this country, about 6% of them are in a union... are you saying that the other 94% are freeloaders?
Well, stupid miserable people love company....

Mircea
 
Old 03-11-2015, 10:06 PM
 
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You're right. I do have a problem with that whole "pay to play". More specifically, I hate unions because they force all of their members, no matter their political affiliation, to donate to the democrats.


Are you a union member or just hate them because?? My sister is a republican but also belongs to a teachers union. She could care less about any donations which she doesn't provide. Her focus is on her pay and benefits.
 
Old 03-11-2015, 10:12 PM
 
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LOL, it's spreading slow because Democrats try to block such legislation whenever they can. Because they receive so much political money from the unions, they want the unions to always have the money available.


First of all, there are unions who support republicans. If republicans supported unions just think of the support they would have.
 
Old 03-12-2015, 12:52 AM
 
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First of all, there are unions who support republicans. If republicans supported unions just think of the support they would have.
We just don't think that way. Unlike liberals, we don't think money is the answer to everything. We have real principles that we don't violate on a whim. We don't say Bush is a war criminal for use of drones and then say nothing when Obama steps up the drone program like you do. We don't say that changing the rules of Senate debates would be dangerous to the nation when Bush is president and then make those very same changes when Obama is President like you do.

We don't oppose unions because unions donate to Democrats instead of us. That's liberal thinking. We oppose unions because we believe they violate peoples' freedom and because they make American business less competitive in the global market against nations who don't have unions.
 
Old 03-12-2015, 04:58 AM
 
Location: *
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We just don't think that way. Unlike liberals, we don't think money is the answer to everything. We have real principles that we don't violate on a whim. We don't say Bush is a war criminal for use of drones and then say nothing when Obama steps up the drone program like you do. We don't say that changing the rules of Senate debates would be dangerous to the nation when Bush is president and then make those very same changes when Obama is President like you do.

We don't oppose unions because unions donate to Democrats instead of us. That's liberal thinking. We oppose unions because we believe they violate peoples' freedom and because they make American business less competitive in the global market against nations who don't have unions.
Is it 'real principles' or does it demonstrate axiomatic thinking without plausible, practical, logical, real-time, real-world application? In other words ...

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... Pitfalls of LibertarianismEdit
Libertarians tend to be supporters of unchecked corporate power, depending on just how deep into it they are. That means businesses may force whatever they like onto their employees and those who buy their products. If workers are too weak to fight back against a bullying boss, that's just too bad.

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Libertarian LogicEdit ...
Libertarianism - Liberapedia

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Old 03-12-2015, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The position being posted against unionization is one drawn out of the corp. playbook on how to stop a union. The GOP and ALEX want you the individual to lose leverage in determining your earnings and leverage. Unions are needed to have leverage in group or individual contracts with Mgt. Those who do not understand the concept of leverage would agree with the GOP and their backers.

Right to work = the right to earn less and the right to have less benefits.
 
Old 03-12-2015, 07:34 AM
 
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Conservatives and big business have known for a long time how easy it is to turn one part of the working class against another while they sit at home eating lobster and laughing all the way to the bank.
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