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Whoa...Most people have accepted the fact that the earth is warming, but argue the cause....You are a true blue denier.
I just stated there have always been changes, and they are natural. I also note that if one plots the data from NOAA over the last two million years it's a noticeable downward trend, with intermediate periods HOTTER and COLDER than today. I suggest you've hinged your religion on 30 years out of 4 billion. Hardly scientific.
Of course one would only worry if one had concern for future generations....Climate change will not affect you or I to any great extent.
Funny ...global warming is the only time you hear liberals have concern for future generations, otherwise it is all about what is the government doing for Me Right Now!!
I'm all for global warming. Melt the ice in the north pole , invade and conquer it, Plant the US flag and drill those billions of barrels of oil for our future generations.
It's ironic that denialists can't see a conspiracy when free enterprise is trying to protect it's pocketbook but by gawd they can smell it out when those evil scientists are trying to fleece the gubmint for grant money.
Everything is up for grabs when you have a central government that is corrupt to its core and large enough to escape accountability.
Yes, that big pile of money the federal government continually collects has been noticed by people who would like to conspire with the collectors of that big pile of money to take some of it.
The CAGW scam is just one of many stratagems by which the big pile of money collected by the federal government could be accessed by anyone in a position to work cooperatively with our corrupt federal government, but this is a symptom and not the actual disease.
Rather than play whack-a-mole with clever self-serving leftists and a government for hire, the plan going forward should be to reduce the size of the federal government`s big pile of money so that it is less of a target for opportunists and reduce the size and influence of the federal government in hope of returning it to a position of accountability to the voters.
I just stated there have always been changes, and they are natural. I also note that if one plots the data from NOAA over the last two million years it's a noticeable downward trend, with intermediate periods HOTTER and COLDER than today. I suggest you've hinged your religion on 30 years out of 4 billion. Hardly scientific.
So what do you think has been causing the recent increase in warming, especially that of at least the last 50 years?
The sun? The sun has not increased it's activity in the last 50 years, in fact it's the opposite.
Changes in solar insolation due to the orbital forcings of the Milankovitch cycles? (100,000-year cycle due to changes in the orbit's eccentricity; 41,000-year cycle related to shifts in the inclination of the Earth's axis, 19,000 to 23,000-year cycles- precession of the equinoxes). No, they are far too slow and we're not in a phase that should be causing warming, in fact it's the opposite.
Volcanoes? Nope, the aerosols from volcanoes have been having a minor cooling effect.
So what natural causes are you referring to? The climate hasn't just changed by magic. There is always a cause (forcings).
Is there some reason you think that more CO2 in the atmosphere would NOT cause the earth to warm? Considering that past climate changes have shown that that is exactly what happens, only more slowly over a much longer period of time?
I suggest you've hinged your views on a lack of knowledge of the science. Hardly scientific.
First, all temperature anomoly data is pegged to the 30 years between 1950-1980.
That's incorrect.
HadCRUT use the base period 1961 to 1990.
UAH and RSS use 1979 to 1998.
GISS use 1951 to 1980.
NOAA use 1971 to 2000.
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Second, nobody can say what the temperature should be.
If humans had never existed, the global average temperature would probably be about .7 or .8 degrees C lower than it currently is (possibly lower as human activities have also added aerosols into the atmosphere which have a cooling effect). And CO2 levels would probably be around 250ppm and decreasing slowly due to the natural carbon cycle.
The present level of 400ppm C02 in Earth's atmosphere is the highest in the last 800,000 years and most likely the highest in the past 20 million years.
And finally, we are still in a cooling trend over the last few million years. There are lots of intermediate heating and cooling cycles, which nobody disputes. Natural variability is perfectly normal for a planet.
Its because scientists understand the effects of those cycles, that they know that those cycles are NOT what has been causing the recent warming, and that it's not just 'natural variability'.
In early 1998, some of the biggest fossil fuel companies in the world were hatching a plan to hijack the science of human-caused global warming......In a memo the plan boldly declared its goal would be to convince “a majority of the American public” that “significant uncertainties exist in climate science”.
When I was confronted with the AGW agenda neighborhood 2004, the first thing I did is assign my research assistance Google to learn about the contributing factors for climate change, and for ckimate history. I dont recall reading ANY corporate websites.
Which is why it irritates me to no end that folks like you immediately dismiss any opposition as in thrall to the oil industry.
So I know what greenhouse gasses are and what they contribute.
I was utterly amazed when the AGW crowd hijacked the term climate change.
Funny ...global warming is the only time you hear liberals have concern for future generations, otherwise it is all about what is the government doing for Me Right Now!!
Actually it is the right who has the selfish "me first" attitude....I have kids, grandkids and great grandkids, and it is their future I'm concerned with.
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